[ SECRET POST #4360 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4360 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

i don't have any particular love for kevin hart but people going "GOOD" over his stepping down while still lamenting james gunn's firing when they're guilty of the exact same thing feels massively hypocritical. the message it's sending feels very much like "EVERYONE WHO HAS SAID ANYTHING VAGUELY OFFENSIVE EVER MUST BE PUNISHED oh but not him we like him"

[(Anonymous)]

If Hart had apologized, everything would be a different story

[(Anonymous)]

Bullshit. Since when does an apology ever count for shit? Once people label someone scum they will always hold it over them. The people who act outraged about this shit just want the moral high ground. They don't want people to improve or grow from their mistakes, they want someone to call a piece of shit so they can feel superior at how ~~unproblematique~~ they are.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that people are generally a lot more forgiving toward James Gunn because 1) the tweets in question were years ago and 2) he'd already apologized for them and his employers didn't have to apply pressure on him to do so.

[(Anonymous)]

I think I have a vague idea of what Hart did, but no clue on the Gunn issue...

That being said, an apology is worth a hell of a lot. If someone is perceived guilty of something, then the bare minimum is that they apologize. It's then up to those offended to decide how much they actually mean it. People can actually regret what they've done, and people are also liable to forgive... There are things called sympathy, and even pity, after all...

You don't go and attack someone, and then flip off everyone who tries to defend them- that would just make you a pathetic little dick... So yeah, apologizing = showing remorse, which then means you aren't blacklisted from all the major events in hollywood... The end.

[(Anonymous)]

basically. it's okay until it's someone they like

[(Anonymous)]

Hart refused to apologize

[(Anonymous)]

Hart was also being homophobic only 3 years ago. As opposed to Gunn's tweets from over like...10?

Also, Gunn was obviously joking when Hart wasn't.

[(Anonymous)]

See, to me it feels like "EVERYONE WHO HAS SAID ANYTHING VAGUELY OFFENSIVE EVER MUST BE PUNISHED unless our political enemies are the ones pointing it out"

Which is still the height of hypocrisy, yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

hart apologized

[(Anonymous)]

eventually, after whining for a while about how he shouldn't have to apologize

[philstar22]

This. And he was fired for not apologizing. They aren't going to rehire him just because he's apologized now, especially given all his whining.

[(Anonymous)]

James Gunn: Apologised years ago, repeated apology when old tweets were brought up
Kevin Hart: Did not apologise years ago, waffled and whined when confronted, refused to issue a formal apology, and (I *think*, I'm not 100% on the timeline there) only issued an informal apology after the Oscars got sick of him dragging his feet and dumped him

[(Anonymous)]

They are not guilty of the same things at all.

[(Anonymous)]

you're right, pedophilia and rape are way more okay to make light of.

[(Anonymous)]

One was jokes. One was someone being homophobic.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, come on, people. It's totally OK to make gross, upsetting tweets about pedophilia and rape if you're joking about it. Not at ALL on the same level as being homophobic. Geez.

[(Anonymous)]

You can take it how you want, but yes, I would prefer someone to be joking about shitty things rather than actually being about that life. Ideally I'd neither but given a choice, jokes every time.

[(Anonymous)]

Not everything that someone claims to be a joke is harmless or even meant to be. I know far too many people who hide their true selves and their responsibility for hurting others behind "can't you just take a joke?" I'm not saying the guy actually is a pedophile rapist, but real people have actually experienced those kinds of things just like people have actually experienced homophobia. You seem to be looking at it from the POV of the "joker" in question. I care more about the people reading tweets like this. The tweets were disgusting, unfunny and hurtful to real people. "Oh it was just a joke" is not a valid defense for them.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I agree that it's bad, and that the jokes are offensive, but I also think that the jokes are less bad than actually being a homophobe.

[(Anonymous)]

Not interested in pain and oppression Olympics, sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not my point at all

[(Anonymous)]

Well, you've missed mine completely too, so let's call it a day.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Yeah, but they aren't talking about 'people you know'... and most often, when someone asks, 'can't you take a joke', it's clear from the start that they weren't making a crack to begin with.

Comedy comes in all forms, offensive and otherwise- John Mulaney made a joke about chasing down a woman, who thought he was about to rape her, made it explicit that was the case, but no one is making secrets about that because it was the same segment he made the 'whats new pussycat' joke. Comedians tend to make jokes from real problems, the same way gay people can make gay jokes, black people can make black jokes, and oddly enough women about their vaginas/ect... And some are just better at being funny than others.
Usually it's to make light of an otherwise depressing situation. But every so often the base of the joke becomes the depressing situation, and it's the same way a straight black man shouldn't make a gay joke, a white gay man can't make black joke- even if everyone still think vaginas are hilarious for some reason... Purposely or not, it's how the joke is structured over how it can be delivered or recieved.

Obviously, you don't have to like it, and you have every right to be offended- but comedy, from what I see, is just like that...

[(Anonymous)]

Of course they aren’t making a joke to begin with - that’s my point. Calling something a joke doesn’t make it a joke and defending a poorly received one as a joke doesn’t make it ok. As mentioned below, comedy that caters to the lowest common denominator might be the norm but that doesn’t make it funny or exempt from criticism or pushback. And if we’re making a list of who shouldn’t be making what kinds of jokes, I’m gonna go ahead and add “nobody should be making jokes about rape and pedophilia.”