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Final Fantasy VII: Aerith was a terribly bland character and I'm glad she died early on.

Final Fantasy VIII: The switch from Squall's "Whatever" attitude towards Rinoa over to "Omg true love, can't live without her!!" was way too abrupt and the way everyone kept pressuring him to hook up with her despite him showing no interest was kinda creepy.

Final Fantasy XV: The "romance" was incredibly forced in this one as well. No matter how many times they told the player that it was actually true love, it never actually came across that way. I think they should have just kept it as a "It's a political marriage and we're friends so that's okay, I guess" thing. I also don't like that Ignis, Gladio and Promoto survived.

With you on XV. What's weird is that the game itself does very much take the "we're friends so I guess it's all right" from Noctis' point of view; Luna is more ambiguous about it (especially considering Kingsglaive vs. the game) but it felt more like she was heavily mourning their lost innocence, and that she loved him without being in love. It's just... all the extra stuff that really seems to push the romance angle? Like all the side art and stuff, showing this relationship that didn't even exist. (The very ending scene notwithstanding, which I don't take into account because they literally said it was only in there for the logo reveal, lol.) They hadn't seen each other in ten years!

Also with you on the other three surviving, especially since it's now been Word-of-God'd that they're never happy again. Like, what's the point in that, then? They would have been honored to die by Noctis' side, and as deeply as I love this game I will never forgive them the decision to have the other boys let Noctis go to his death alone. It was so out of character, I fucking hated it. After building up this entire storyline around the point that Noctis wasn't alone and had his friends to help shoulder his massive burden, we get that? ahdgkjhdag. At least there's the extra ending to Ep. Ignis.

Having played FFVIII lately, I disagree. The problem is there's a lot of subtle things that add up to it, but it's easily missed when you're younger. Now that I'm grown, I can see where some of his "Whatever" is him pushing back against his own attraction due to his fear of abandonment, and then she went comatose and that all went out the window.

Thanks, you said it better than I could put it together. Playing it again recently, I appreciated Squall a lot more, and saw a lot more in him than I used to. He's a lonely, depressed kid-- like, literally, just graduated high school, thrust into a position of authority he didn't ever want. Combine that with being really socially awkward, of course he reacted to his immediate crush on Rinoa by freaking out internally and shutting down.

He's already deeply worried about her by the time the whole Deling City thing is going down. He cares about her a lot.

And I can kind of understand why everyone else trying to push them together is a little off-putting but like... again, they're all 17-18 years old. This is kind of what high schoolers do, haha.

Not to mention they're pushing because most of them can tell that he has a crush and won't act on it unless he's sufficiently pushed. Most of them don't know he has severe abandonment issues. He doesn't talk about them.

Rinoa's the first person to notice, because she's an outsider to the whole Garden thing, which makes people into teenaged soldiers and so inherently kind of fucks them up. Zell is, ironically, the most normal because he had a loving family. Rinoa's a little fucky (but then I'm 100% convinced her mother was a political assassination to warn her father, because some of how her dad acts is super shady in regards to how overprotective he is). But she's the only one who reacts like his reaction RE: Seifer supposedly being executed is super fucked up and speaks to deeper issues as opposed to just out of character. And after that event, you can notice her poking at him and worming her way into his heart--which he pushes back against hard because "what if she leaves me like everyone else."

Yeah, when I was much younger first playing this game I thought the Gardens were awesome and I wanted to live in one so bad-- coming back to it now is like "wow holy shit they are definitely just kind of turning out very young soldiers into horrifying war conditions.

Like, I kind of want to go back to the Deling City thing with this: Squall during this entire part breaks my heart. He wants so badly to make sure Rinoa is safe and wants to go help her, but due to the whole child soldier thing he is almost physically incapable of breaking the mission to do so (which is sort of a double-edged sword in and of itself), and it rips him apart. If it wasn't for his friends helping him hammer out a quick compromise, I'm almost sure he would have pretty much just blue-screened. The kid is a mess.

I see your points but I can't help but think more people would still object to this dynamic if Squall was a female and Rinoa a male character.

That... seems like moving the goalposts a little? 'Cause I don't think it would honestly change very much-- an awkward girl blue-screening when she meets a cute boy that gets her to dance with him, who then inwardly freaks out only to end up caring very much for this boy's well-being the moment he's in danger? That's ship fodder in a neatly tied package, haha. People eat that shit up.

Or if you mean specifically the nudging of Squall's friends to get them together, I feel like you're assigning it a lot more weight than it actually has if you read something sinister in it when it's applied to a girl instead. They poke fun at Squall because they like him, and they know he likes Rinoa.

Aeris is totally bland in the Compilation, I'll grant you that. But in the original game? No.

She's a hoodrat who sells flowers and seems pretty damn familiar with the sex work industry in the slums. Unlike Tifa, she's confident and isn't afraid to confront the party with uncomfortable truths, particularly about how fucked up Cloud is. And she's one of the funniest and most adventurous party members, but also one of the most jaded. The game even calls the player and other characters out on their inaccurate perceptions of her. She was never the sweet nice white mage girl ready to sacrifice herself for the good of everyone. She was never a Yuna.

The only thing "bland" about her is that she dies before she has any kind of real character arc.

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Yeah, you're mostly right. I guess I just got really tired of so many people pushing the "Aerith flawless waifu uwu" angle.

I will never forgive Compilation for what they did to Aeris. Good god. How do you go from a girl threatening to rip a man's balls off to Actually Jesus?

TBH most of her "blandness" in the rest of the compilation is she has shit VAs and very few appearances. But I remember her scene with Cloud, calling him on his inability to forgive himself in AC, and if you just read it and ignore the shit VAs, she ends up making a lot more sense. Because what made her so interesting was that she was all that... But she was still caring. She's still pretty feisty in Crisis Core, she just... Is, again, the product of terrible VAing.

THIS x1000. It sounds insane to say that Aeris is underappreciated because of how ingrained her character is into game history, but you rarely ever see people discussing her real personality. I get that the Compilation wanted a messiah figure, but I think erasing her mile-wide sassitude was a real shame.

Good lord I agree with all of this.

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