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[ SECRET POST #4385 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4385 ⌋

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[Detroit: Become Human]

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(Timeless)

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[Ben from Simply Nailogical and Rich Evans from Red Letter Media]

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(Netflix's Dumplin')

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[Criminal Minds, season 3 episode 7 "Identity"]

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[The Lion King (2019)]

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[Thomas Middleditch]

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[Detroit: Become Human]

WTF

Man, these idiots always go after the low-hanging fruit, don't they? Because they know if they go after us really debauched sinners, they'll either get ignored or mocked to high heaven. I suggest you deal with them the same way.

I just thought the father/son dynamic was so forced and ham-fisted with all the stuff about Hank's dead son and Connor being a subsitute/the son Hank never got to see grow up that I refused to buy into it on principle.

Sadly, everything that David Cage writes is forced and ham-fisted.

That is very true, unfortunately.

I'm not familiar with this fandom but I know where you're coming from. I ship several pairings where there are fans who complain that they're "like family" and therefore it's soooo horrible to ship them. You just gotta ignore those people.

Seems like in every fandom there's people who have to turn shipping into some moral exercise so they have a good reason to hate on folks with different preferences. Like, no, Virginia, there aren't any ethics here, there's just you not being able to handle someone liking things you don't like, and having some childish need to make them out to be Bad People.

*childish need to make them out to be Bad People*
Is this because we have literal twelve-year-olds hanging out in fannish spaces where they aren't supposed to?

I listened to a podcast of an author I *love* a while back and nearly freaked--she seriously sounded like she was early teens. She's got to be at least college age...I hope...but it was a graphic reminder how much wider fandom is nowadays. I started in fandom when the only people online were academics and grown-ups with jobs.

I know I'm late to the party, but that author likely is an adult, just "blessed" with a young-sounding voice. Both my mother (turning 70 this year) and me (41 in May) have voices that telemarketers ask if our parents are home! But since it sounds like we started in fandom around the same timeframe, it's still hard for me to wrap my head around the fact kids today are growing up with fandom, while for me it was a revelation to my college-age self that there were other "nerds" like me out there.

What about people like me who ship them one second and then squeal over the father-son dynamic the next? Can't people be open and love multiple interpretations? No need to shit on one because you only like the other.

Totally. In one of my fandoms there are two characters who are super close and people frequently describe them as "like brothers". I alternate between shipping the hell out of them and loving their brotherly dynamic lol

You have just described what it's like for me shipping Morgan and Reid from "Criminal Minds" :D.

I just think the ship is gross. But mostly because Hank is so unattractive and he's a garbage person in general.

Yeah, except it is explicitly written as a father/son dynamic. I know Connor's an android but the life experience difference thing is still there. Not to mention the fact Hank's son death made him suicidal then he starts to bond with a new "son" except this time it's an android.

FFS. I know shippers tend to delude themselves but this is just ridiculous.

Not in the fandom so I have no horse in this race but...just because something is "explicitly written" a certain way doesn't mean fans have to interpret it in that way.

NAYRT but like... you can interpret things however you want, but at a certain point it's no longer really textual. Interpretations aren't infinitely and equally plausible. At a certain point you're dealing in an AU.

NAYRT

I agree with this. And I can definitely understood why people might find a ship super squicky if the characters are clearly depicted as having a parent/child like relationship in canon. I mean, I get why people ship Buffy/Giles, for example, but it still makes me feel ill to think about it.

I don't believe in harassing people about their ships, though. However, I also have no problem with people expressing how much something squicks them out if they're doing it in their own space (and not tagging it misleadingly).

Only in this case, it's not textual. It's heavily (or rather, heavy-handedly) implied to be a lazily executed and badly written "father-son" dynamic, but it's not an unshakable fact everyone has to abide by, NOR is Connor actually Hank's very real, totally related son.

No it’s not. First of all hanks son died 3 years ago before the game begin meaning Cole was 9 years old at best present time, not a 30 year old man. The game even goes out of its way to show that if Connor does remind Hank about his dead son that it’s *bad* since the only way that happens is for Connor to die multiple times and ends with Hank killing himself. That is *not* a healthy dynamic. Also if you investigate Hank’s room there are hints around he’s looking for companionship and was considering getting an Android to fill that void. The game is bad and hamfisted in multiple other ways but it fucking beats you over the head that if Connor = Cole, Hank = suicide.

And FINALLY both Clancy Brown and Bryan Dechart debunked the fatherbrotherdogging. It’s the nonshippers who are delusional.

I know it’s ‘supposed’ to be a father-son bond but the way it’s written is super unbelievable. They haven’t know each other long enough or really went through enough in-game for me to buy two adults forming a parent-child bond like that. I could almost see it as Hank latching onto the first guy to break through his barriers as a son-figure just because he’s still refusing to deal properly with his son’s death, but Connor? He’s never had a father to be needing a replacement goldfish nor has he ‘grown up’ without one and looking for that lost relationship because he’s a robot. At least I could buy Kara and Alice because it was literally part of their base programming and Alice is an actual *child*. But Connor’s not going to be programmed for those kinds of relationships and I really doubt that’s the first things he’s seeking after deviation.

I don’t ship it myself because I’m not fond of shipping Hank with anyone, but I’m really surprised how far the fandom has ran with this ‘they’re father and son’ idea.

If it's the intended reading, why are you surprised by it...

Because it’s hardly ever stopped fans before? I’m just surprised on how wide spread the ‘can’t ship it, they’re family’ has gotten. They’re not blood related and there’s no in-text moment of the characters talking about being family, so you’d think fans would be a little more ‘ship and let ship’ about it.

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(Anonymous) - 2019-01-07 03:43 (UTC) - Expand

I don't ship anything from the game simply because David Cage is a god awful writer and couldn't pay me to care about characters he writes on any deeper level. However, I desperately need Hank to be fucked in as many ways possible because Hank is extremely sexy to me.

It's fine if people dig the father-son dynamic but dude, Cage is about as deep as a mirror, the only depth and meaning in Hank and Connor's relationship is whatever the fandom assigns to it. You keep enjoying your ship anon, it's the most joy a Cage game could begin to hope to generate.

I think the hilarious and kinda tragic thing is that Cage thinks he's super deep but everyone knows he's really, really not.

As far as tragedy is concerned, he's too much of a narcissist to ever doubt He Really Is That Deep, the only people who'll ever suffer from the delusion will be the audience, either from second hand embarrassment or the content produced.

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