[ SECRET POST #4409 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4409 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

i dated someone with a mother like molly and speaking from experience it was horrible and I pity her future daughter-in-law. Molly is immature, unpleasant, vicariously living through her children who will never be good enough but god forbid they try to sperate themselves from their unhealthy family dynamic.

[philstar22]

Add this to the fact that she assumes that just because she considers some other kids family (Harry, Hermione), that means she gets to boss them around and have a say in things having to do with them. And she actually bosses around everyone, not just family.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, it's a little defensible in the case of Harry who is a literal orphan

I dunno when it happened with Hermione

[(Anonymous)]

"We definitely can't let the children sit in on Order meetings! Even though we're talking about things that directly effect their lives! We must shield the children from knowledge of people trying to kill them! What do you mean the children already know???"

[philstar22]

This. She wasn't alone in that, but she was the most demanding about it.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see that side of the argument but I can also understand why Molly might think it was a good idea to keep a bunch of children at arm's length from the activities of a dangerous and violent resistance group

I don't think this one is necessarily, you know, black and white

[philstar22]

I agree with you. But Sirius was Harry's legal guardian. So the problem is not Molly having a different opinion than Sirius. The problem is her expressing her opinion as an order and trying to control Harry and treating Sirius pretty terribly. Molly should have had a private conversation with Sirius. Molly should have laid it out as her opinion. Instead, she was a jerk.

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone was being emotional. They're human beings.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Molly was wrong about what Harry needed to know and how effective it would be to try to protect him, but I don't think it was unreasonable to look at Sirius Black, near-murderer at 16, current PTSD case recovering very poorly from over a decade of magic depression hell while being constantly triggered by his abusive childhood home and think

"legal guardian or not, this person is not the most stable or emotionally mature, and maybe shouldn't get to make the final decision about how much horror and violence a vulnerable young person in his care should face"

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe. But there’s the whole subplot in OOTP about how keeping Harry ignorant really, really backfires.

[(Anonymous)]

OOTP is also the book where everyone acts like an asshole

[(Anonymous)]

Just because you're letting them sit in on meetings doesn't mean you're sending them off to plant explosives around Malfoy Manor, tho

[(Anonymous)]

Wouldn't put it past Harry tbh

[(Anonymous)]

but we all know damn well he'd do that without sitting in on one single solitary meeting

[(Anonymous)]

well, that's true

when you're right, you're right

[philstar22]

Depends on which Harry we are talking about. In some books he was the rebel, in others he was the rule follower who did what Dumbledore wanted to the letter and didn't really try to think for himself that much.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, pretty much. And if he got caught, he'd wangst about how it ruined the Quidditch season.

[philstar22]

Harry had Sirius. Sirius was Harry's legal guardian, yet Molly was trying to overrule Sirius and being a general ass to Sirius. She thought she had more right to say what happened with Harry than Harry's own godfather.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - I mean, Sirius clearly had issues, and I'm not sure I'd support him having full custody right off, but that just means he needs support! And to be let out off the house instead of being cooped up and driven mad! Not that he needs to be scolded like a child, and undermined in front of others.

[philstar22]

Oh, I agree Sirius needed help and wouldn't have necessarily been an amazing father on his own. But the fact stands that he was Harry's legal guardian and yet Molly thought she had more of a say than him and was a general asshole to him.

[(Anonymous)]

Molly also made some pretty good points about Sirius' flaws as a guardian.

I'm not saying that Molly was perfect by any means. I think that pretty much every adult in Harry's life - including Molly, and Sirius, and Lupin, and Dumbledore - was a deeply flawed human being mostly trying to do the best they could under very difficult circumstances. I don't think that any of them were really villains even though all of them were imperfect. All of them were asses at times. But I don't think I'd go so far as to say Molly was a bad mother.

[philstar22]

Sure, she made some good points. She made it in an inappropriate setting (should have been a private conversation) and in an inappropriate way (treating Sirius badly). She also acted like she and not Sirius was the one who got to decide what happened with Harry. None of those things are okay.

And yes, all of the adults were flawed. Frankly all the characters in HP were far more flawed than the author seems to realize. But that doesn't excuse what Molly did. And the things she did just happen to be things that bug me a lot.