[ SECRET POST #4419 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4419 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Roxane Gay (author)]


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03.
[Pokemon]


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04.
[Jonathan Groff in Mindhunter (formerly King George III in Hamilton)]


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05.
[The ABC Murders]


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06.
[Zac Efron as Ted Bundy in Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil, and Vile]


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07.
[Marcus Wareing, Gordon Ramsay - Burning Point (documentary)]


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08.
[Parks and Recreation, Ben/Leslie]












Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 51 secrets from Secret Submission Post #633.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

But that's.. exactly what the secret says.

"I think it contributes to the problem of why some serial killers become serial killers in the first place."

The portrayal appears clearly ironic to me, but I guess it's good for marketing that it also brings out the moral guardians like you to up the hype.

[sparrow_lately]

The man kept the cadavers of teenaged girls he'd beaten and/or strangled to death so he could dress them up, paint their nails, take pictures with them, and have sex with their corpses. He lured teenagers into his car by pretending to need help, then restrained them, beat them, strangled them, raped them, and left them to die of their injuries. I don't think I'm some kind of conservative, pearl-clutching moral guardian for raising my eyebrows at a film depicting him so cavalierly like he's sticking it to the man.

[(Anonymous)]

No, you're a conservative, pearl-clutching moral guardian for totally missing the point.

And wow, that's a really graphic depiction of his crimes for someone who finds them so abhorrent. Wouldn't be surprised if people complained about a lack of warning.

[(Anonymous)]

No, you're a conservative, pearl-clutching moral guardian for totally missing the point.

Well, I mean, no

they're not a pearl-clutching moral guardian, and they're very justified in the point that they're actually making, they were just incorrect about the different argument that OP was originally making

[(Anonymous)]

For missing the point of the portrayal.

The movie isn't trying to make him look like a rock star rebel. It's trying to make him look like the pathetic rock star rebel-wannabe that he was.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, is the movie out yet? How do you know that

[(Anonymous)]

I don't. I'm making a judgment based on the trailer like everyone else here.

[(Anonymous)]

So, the actual reason that you think people are "a conservative, pearl-clutching moral guardian" is because they interpreted the trailer differently than you did.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly.

They saw a trailer and went, "that's morally reprehensible!"

I saw a trailer and went, "that looks like fun!"

Which is like... the entirety of my fandom experience in the 2010s come to think of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Can you expand on what you mean when you say "fun", because I don't want to put words in your mouth

[(Anonymous)]

Clever, ironic, self-aware, flashy in a grotesque sort of way

[(Anonymous)]

One, I didn't get any of those notes from the trailer. Two, I don't think it's being a pearl-clutching moral guardian to have a problem with someone making a movie that's clever and ironic about the actual crimes of an actual serial killer.

[(Anonymous)]

You're a moral guardian. You are literally trying to guard societal morals from decay.

I apologize for calling you a pearl-clutcher, though.

[sparrow_lately]

I don't object to a film about Bundy, or even one that deals very directly and graphically with his crimes. I object to the presentation in this trailer of Bundy and his crimes. Cinema is a language of signifiers, and we has consumers of film have learned to associate particular signifiers with particular themes, ideas, and sympathies. The trailer primes us to side with/root for, or at least on some level cheer on, Bundy, because of the way it is cut and edited, the use of music, the text and presentation of the title slides, etc. It's fucked up for the trailer of a movie about Ted Bundy, a real man who really did rape and murder over twenty innocent women and children, many of them too young to vote, to have a vibe closer to that of the trailer for Suicide Squad than that of a comparable film like The Silence of the Lambs or Zodiac.

ETA: If you actually think what I'm objecting to is...acknowledging things Ted Bundy literally did then you are confused.

[(Anonymous)]

"contributes to the problem" =/= "watching a movie about serial killers and suddenly deciding to become one for the publicity"

[(Anonymous)]

OK maybe I misunderstood. Hopefully OP will tell us how it contributes to the problem.

[(Anonymous)]

There's no maybe about it. The secret simply does not say what you claim it does. Either you're trolling, or have poor reading comprehension skills. I know which answer I suspect, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Or maybe saying extremely vague things like "x contributes to y" with no further explanation invites misunderstandings?

And I'm not intentionally trolling here, I just sincerely don't get the moral outrage over this film or how it's supposed to contribute to narcissism anymore than, say, Instagram or the 24/7 news cycle.

[(Anonymous)]

One slightly vague sentence doesn't really justify you blowing it out of proportion, no. A cup of water dumped into the sea contributes to the volume of the ocean. That doesn't mean that one cup of water means the ocean levels swallowing up the coastline.