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Re: What's the difference between preachy and nuaced for you?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's really subjective, honestly. The only example that's coming to mind for me is the show Sirens and how they handled addressing a character's asexuality. I personally thought it came across very PSA-ish and preachy (there was a whole thing with a character saying "I googled it, and I found out there's a flag" and it was just cringey and weird to me) but I've seen several other people say they thought it was well done.

I watch a lot of procedural cop/medical type shows and pretty much anytime an episode involves any sort of marginalized group there are tons of people complaining that it's preachy, but to me, it usually comes across as just...depicting reality. I've found most of the time something is criticized as being "too political" what they almost always mean is "political in a way I don't agree with". Even shows whose main plot is kind of inherently political will get people complaining about how it's "too political" and it's like...that's what the damn show is about, what did you expect?

Not to say the way those episodes/shows are handled are necessarily nuanced, because I feel like "nuanced" is more...subtle, and a lot of the times the shows/episodes are being quite obvious about their stance, but I don't think it's necessarily preachy if that's what the plot is about. Preachy to me is when it kind of comes out of nowhere and seems unnecessary and doesn't have much to do with whatever the show (or whatever) is about.

Re: What's the difference between preachy and nuaced for you?

[(Anonymous)]

I watch a lot of procedural cop/medical type shows and pretty much anytime an episode involves any sort of marginalized group there are tons of people complaining that it's preachy, but to me, it usually comes across as just...depicting reality.

I've seen people complain when shows like "Criminal Minds" or "NCIS" have episodes that touch on political issues, and that criticism's always amused me because...the BAU and NCIS are organizations within the federal government. Politics is kind of going to be part of their job at some point as a result. Some of the criminals they deal with commit politically-motivated crimes, so how are they not supposed to address that when it happens?

I've found most of the time something is criticized as being "too political" what they almost always mean is "political in a way I don't agree with". Even shows whose main plot is kind of inherently political will get people complaining about how it's "too political" and it's like...that's what the damn show is about, what did you expect?

Fully agreed on all of this.

Re: What's the difference between preachy and nuaced for you?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I actually think Criminal Minds is an interesting example here - there was one season where it felt like they suddenly decided to start doing positive gay stories, and they were just so, like, intentional with it. It felt like they had decided they needed to make up for some previous iffy gay stories or something. And it was definitely a good change overall! But it always made me laugh a little.

Re: What's the difference between preachy and nuaced for you?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I've seen people complain when shows like "Criminal Minds" or "NCIS" have episodes that touch on political issues, and that criticism's always amused me because...the BAU and NCIS are organizations within the federal government. Politics is kind of going to be part of their job at some point as a result. Some of the criminals they deal with commit politically-motivated crimes, so how are they not supposed to address that when it happens?

I'm super late to this, but yeah, exactly. Shows like that that are about crimes have to address those things. Especially if they're set in modern times. More and more crimes are politically motivated these days, and even aside from crime...LIFE is political. It's hard to avoid.

Re: What's the difference between preachy and nuaced for you?

[(Anonymous)]

Agree with a lot of this. What some people find subtle and underdone is grating and preachy to others. It has a lot to do with your subjective experience of the subject, especially since so much of the time "political" is a stand-in for "acknowledges the existence of people who aren't enough like meeeeeee" so there's no way the topic could have been addressed that would have actually satisfied the people complaining. So media ends up trying to walk a line between preachy and nuanced that functionally doesn't exist. All I know anymore is, I appreciate when it makes the effort.

Re: What's the difference between preachy and nuaced for you?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

so much of the time "political" is a stand-in for "acknowledges the existence of people who aren't enough like meeeeeee"

Yep! The only times I've ever seen people complaining that something is "too political", it's for exactly that reason.