[ SECRET POST #4430 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4430 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

07. https://i.imgur.com/y6HT6wr.png

[kaijinscendre]

Is this...something I wrote or are OP and I on the same wavelength.

secret maker

[(Anonymous)]

It's a comment secret, so it might well be yours!

[(Anonymous)]

I'm right there with you on hoping she dies by the end of the final season, though I'd prefer to see Jaime put her down because he's realized she's the Mad King redux, or the White Walkers to get her as karmic retribution for promising aid against the zombie apocalypse and then reneging because fuck you, got mine. Something that's a direct result of the shitty, shitty choices she's made, rather than random circumstance.

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't the show make Jaime become obsessed with her again for no reason? I can't see show Jaime ever doing that.

Goddamn, I hope they do another adaptation of GOT that's actually accurate and doesn't fuck up character development so spectacularly. Preferably if it's animated, Netflix Castlevania style.

[sparklywalls]

Iirc Jaime basically abandoned her at the end of the last series.

[(Anonymous)]

Three seasons past due. Ugh.

[sparklywalls]

You're not wrong. I almost don't believe that he's finally given up on her because of the fact we've been here before!

[(Anonymous)]

Preferably if it's animated, Netflix Castlevania style.

This is EXACTLY what I want!!

[(Anonymous)]

Tyrion is pretty detestable in the books, I'm so over the show just whitewashing him to hell. I hope both he and Cersei drop dead.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I agree that he's pretty detestable in the books, but I find the character in the show genuinely enjoyable. GoT diverged enough from ASoIaF even before it started extrapolating past the last book that it's better to just treat it as its own thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay but when changes from the books have an obvious agenda or bias that someone doesn't like they're not just being source purists by criticizing the point of view of the adaptation. Sorry, but I get annoyed at how often those points get dismissed like they're the kind of nitpicking that doesn't respect that some changes are inevitable.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but, I think Martin intends for us to feel the same way about Tyrion that the show wants us to feel about him. It is just that the books are darker and have more shades of grey among the characters we are meant to root for, and I'm not sure they could have made us love Tyrion this much on a tv show if he'd been like book!Tyrion.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't comment on the show but lol, Tyrion in the books would probably be a shitty father who manages to make everything about his own self-loathing every time he makes a mistake instead of trying to improve.

[(Anonymous)]

Can you expand on the tyrion stuff, I haven't read the books in a while and I don't remember him being notably worse than any other character

I guess possibly all the characters are bad but

[(Anonymous)]

His entire situation with Shae is the dealbreaker for me. In contrast to the book, the show decided to make Shae genuinely fall in love with Tyrion and portray the relationship as equal...and then decided to suddenly have her become a catty bitch who betrays him out of nowhere and frame his murdering her as justified on his part. Whereas in the book, it's clear their relationship is terribly one-sided, unequal, and that it's just Tyrion projecting hardcore onto a desperate underage prostitute who went along with him because he paid her. Her "betrayal" of him in the book is more of a grey area because she never cared for him, he just deluded himself into thinking she did. And so his murdering her is a lot more brutal and comes off like an incel murdering a prostitute because he thought she loved him. Plus he starts abusing prostitutes or something in the fifth book IIRC and just becomes one of the most irritating characters ever.

Every character in GOT except maybe Jon is morally dubious at best, but Tyrion being framed as one of the good ones is what bothers me. He's right down there with the rest of them.

[(Anonymous)]

I really think his arc in book 5 was a deliberate descent into darkness, though. Like it's pretty obvious that he is in a really dark place and put where he is put for plot reasons

[(Anonymous)]

"Plus he starts abusing prostitutes or something in the fifth book"

Wait, when did that happen?

[(Anonymous)]

so his murdering her is a lot more brutal and comes off like an incel murdering a prostitute because he thought she loved him

The fuck? No.

In the books it is absolutely ambiguous as to whether Shae actually does love him, even after Tyrion finds her in his father's bed.

Several times in the narrative Shae makes an effort to convince Tyrion that her feelings are real and that he can trust her.

That's what makes her betrayal so visceral, either it was all an act from the beginning, or worse, she really did love him but still chose security and gold over him following his political downfall.

Also, she's not at all "underaged", a concept foreign to a fictional medieval fantasy world like Westeros. Even by real world standards, she is described as eighteen years old. In her own world, Shae would be treated as and more than likely see herself as a grown woman well into her adulthood since at least her 16th nameday, with all the responsibilities that a medieval Europe-inspired society would demand.

If you want a really victimized character related to Tyrion, think about Tysha the poor crofter's daughter that married him when they were both teenagers and then was gang raped by Tywin's men for daring to be a commoner that got so close to his son who was already so shameful in his eyes.

Shae is an interesting character not because she is a sad dead sex-worker victim, but a survivor with complex feelings and hidden motivations who managed to rise so high into the intrigue of the King's Landing court of the Iron Throne.

OH, and one more thing, Tyrion is the furthest from an "incel". It is in one of his earliest interactions that he has in the books with Jon Snow that he tells the bastard of Winterfell that he can't just waste his life away always blaming an unfair world and an unjust society for his misfortune of being born illegitimate and thus mistreated.

Just as a dwarf can expand his mind with great literature, impress other minds with his quick tongue, and travel the world on adventures, so too can a noble bastard rise above the station and expectations place on him.

Cursing the wind will only weaken the spirit. Get out into the world and prove yourself worthy and above the discrimination you face.

Incels would do well to learn this lesson, especially since they typically aren't dwarves or noble bastards living in a medieval fantasy world that doesn't accept them, but rather maladapted able-bodied cishet white men with the Western-dominated world at their finger tips.

[philstar22]

This is true. But then again, just about everyone is detestable in the books. He's better than his siblings, though that isn't saying much. On the show he's awesome, though. Not my favorite character. But he is great.

[philstar22]

Yes to all of this. But I hope she gets a few more scenes of awesomeness first. Cersei is an amazing character and a terrible person. She needs to die, and I hope it is in spectacular fashion the way she lived.