[ SECRET POST #4434 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4434 ⌋

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[The Good Place]


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[Taskmaster]


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[The Umbrella Academy, "We Only See Each Other at Weddings and Funerals"]


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[Criminal Minds S04E15, "Zoe's Reprise"]


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[FBI (2018)]


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[Cameron Britton playing Ed Kemper in Mindhunter]











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Comments

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, I'm pretty sure the movie makes clear he didn't know. It was willful ignorance, and he was an idiot not to ask. But he didn't know. I'd say because he chose not to know. But at least I believe the movie intended the message to be he didn't know.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I think any reasonable, intelligent person in Tony Stark's position should have known that it was at least a strong possibility, even if they didn't specifically investigate it. On the other hand, ideological blindness is a thing.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I agree that he should have known. And I can even buy that somewhere in his subconscious he suspected. He just didn't care enough to investigate and to actually learn. I don't think him not knowing makes him any more sympathetic because he should have known.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

It almost seems like the possibility should have been so apparent and so obvious to him that the only reason not to investigate would be because you don't want to know.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

That's absolutely what I believe. He didn't want to know what his weapons were being used for. I don't think he was consciously aware. But I think there was some subconscious idea that he actively ignored because he didn't want to know.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like, at that point, it's a kind of "not knowing" that is infinitesimally close to knowing, and not really morally distinguishable from it.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it is morally distinguishable. It is actually distinguishable. He didn't consciously know. But morally, it is exactly the same to me.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

You cannot make weapons and not know they are being used on civilians. Like, even people who are not super up to date on the news know that the US military kills a lot of civilians as collateral damage.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

You can not know if it's fiction and your fictional world says you can. If you want, say the writers didn't do their research, but if the movie genuinely portrays him as not knowing, that means it was true in the movie and not a bad take invented by apologetic fans.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

There is a dissonance between the way that Tony Stark is portrayed in the film, and the way that the US military is known to work in the real world (and presumably works in the movie as well; there's no particular reason to suppose that it's any different). It's a genuine tension, a thematic/political contradiction, and I don't think it can really be resolved just by saying whether or not it's canon.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm surprised that anyone thinks he didn't know. You have to know that your weapons of mass destruction are going to kill EVERYTHING they fall on, not just the "bad guys".

But I would agree that there is a difference between intellectually knowing that your weapons kill people, and then actually seeing the people who are likely to get killed.

But you can't NOT know that your weapons kill people - it's just a willful ignorance and an unwillingness to think about it, because you don't want to deal with it.

Re: Worst/weirdest takes you've seen

[(Anonymous)]

I think "willful ignorance" is basically on the level with "knew it but was in denial". You don't have to be a genius to understand that if you manufacture weapons, they're going to be used in war, and that war has collateral damage in the form of civilians. Denial is not the same thing as "didn't know".