[ SECRET POST #614 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #614 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

147 OP

[(Anonymous)]

I know, I know, I KNOW. That's why this is my SECRET.

You think I haven't been told this a gazillion times? Did Boromir try to take the ring? Yes. Did he deserve to die for that? Yes, probably. Do I think that if in that one particular scene that if Frodo had acted differently then none of that would have happened? Yes I do.

I know the ring sets up scenarios and such, but I just get so frustrated when my friends paint him so black when I see him more as a tragic hero than the antagonist.

Re: 147 OP

[eibborn.livejournal.com]

Woah, I don't even think he deserved to die for it! Everyone's been tempted, and everything the guy needed to keep his kingdom alive was dangling right in front of him. The dude's a tragic hero if anything.

I wonder, though, are you sympathizing with book!Boromir, or movie!Boromir? I'm curious about what scene it is that you're referring to.

Re: 147 OP

[(Anonymous)]

movie!Boromir mostly (I haven't read the books in a long time.) I let my friend borrow the movies so I can't watch it right now and confirm it, but basically the scene where Boromir tries to take the ring from Frodo. To me, if Frodo had been more 'No, Boromir, we're going to destroy the ring and save your father and your kingdom' as opposed to 'Oh, I'm all scared looking, please take the ring from me Agents of Sauron' I think that Boromir would have been able to hold out against the ring a little longer.

I think I phrased that incorrectly. I don't think he deserved to die, per se, but I do think that any human who gets involved with the ring does die, so he was doomed as soon as he attempted to take it.

Yeah, totally tragic hero in my eyes. Good guy, fatal flaw? Oh man, all those extended scenes with his brother really choke me up.

Re: 147 OP

[eibborn.livejournal.com]

Hm, I agree that he would probably have held out for longer if Frodo had looked and acted tougher, but to be honest the poor guy really is just some kid from nowhereland who's been thrown into an epic plot and has to deal with terrible evil and basically everyone else being more powerful and capable than he is. I find it hard to fault him for being afraid.

I'm not sure that that's strictly true- it did happen, but it's not necessarily the rule. If Isildur had kept the ring a secret and stayed in his city, I don't think that he would necessarily have died prematurely. That's a bit off-topic, though. It's been a really long time since I shared theories about LotR, so forgive my rambling!

...It sounds as though you're just dealing with people who only see the outside appearance of things without putting more thought into it. Did they not read the books or see the extended edition, maybe? In the original release, a lot of Boromir's development was cut- enough, I think, that you could easily miss out on the side of him that is more than just, 'Grar I'm evil need power.'

Re: 147 OP

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe I should just stop watching/discussing LotR with my friends, it might save me a lot of headaches.

They're basically under the impression that if Faramir and Aragorn could resist the ring, that Boromir must have been essentially evil for the ring to have such a hold over him. Bah.

And I'll give you the Frodo point. I guess he just didn't seem so... pathetic in the book as he does in the movie, but that's more of a portrayal than the actual character.

Oh, please, ramble away. As I've stated, my friends are idiots, and it seems like only online (and with my dad) can I have an intellectual conversation about LotR.