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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-03-03 04:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #4441 ]


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(Anonymous) 2019-03-03 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh. Like I said, I'm not a Draco fan or anything. I don't really get people who take Draco super seriously either way.

Maybe I'm like... too old for this shit, but the behavior of some rich edgy teenager is like lol, yeah, that's what edgy teens do. Doing dumb shit as a teenager doesn't make you EVIL INCARNATE FOREVER, especially if you aren't murdering people and whatnot. You barely know who you are in high school, much less during some race war with cultist parents and whatever

...and I'd feel the same about dumbfuck 17 year old Eric Trump.

Continuing to do the same shit as a 35 year old is just SO different from that, that the metaphor felt worth criticizing.

(Anonymous) 2019-03-03 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
"Rich edgy teenager, who is also a racist, and actively trying to get more involved in the wizard KKK" but sure, I do appreciate where you're coming from if you're going to cut all the characters slack for what they're doing as kids.

But I also think, on the other side, when you are reading a book that is centered around teen characters and their emotions, choices, stories, etc, etc, it's hard to figure out where to draw the line between where you take those things seriously, and where you write them off as just kids-being-kids. And different people draw the line differently.

And even if you're willing to write off the things he does as just dumb teenager shit, there's a big step between that and actively making him sympathetic. And I don't think the idea of him as a fundamentally sympathetic character is really textual. It seems pretty much entirely fanon.

(Anonymous) 2019-03-03 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, he seemed more sad and pathetic to me personally tbh. Teen edgelord. Like, I'm not saying he's textually sympathetic. Just that I can see why a fandom, especially a teenage fandom would or could see him that way in a way they wouldn't for Eric Trump.

In my experience - generally speaking here, ignoring like the fics written by kids that were just bashing randomly on Hermione or whatever - was going like 'poor little wizNazi, I ttly support your wizNazi tendencies and nobody understands how much better puredudes actually are and you were right all along. Heil puredudes.' Even in most of the woobie Draco stories, what all the writers seemed to pointedly wanted for him was change and redemption, which is where the universe eventually went. I think there's a big step between, like, having a character be sympathetic and not have to change cause hes perfect already, and having a character be sympathetic and then change for the better, which is what a lot of the fics seemed to ... aim for?

(Anonymous) 2019-03-03 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
SA

Someone else said it better below, a majority of the fic was the "I/Harry/Hermione/Whoever can fix him" kind which pre-supposes and acknowledges the character is flawed and NEEDS fixing, and that's, you know, something.

(Anonymous) 2019-03-03 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I get that, and I'm not saying that anyone is doing anything wrong. But I do think that it's very much non-textual, and OP is correct on that point. And I, personally, find it discomfiting and weird to sort of overlook and "write out" those specific components of how and why Draco was unsympathetic.

(But also, I think that stuff was probably easier to overlook and much less detailed during the books 3 and 4 era when all of this fanon really got formulated, so, you know, w/e)