[ SECRET POST #4444 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4444 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom]


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[Mary Skelter]


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[The Final Table, Charles and Rodrigo]


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[Altered Carbon]


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[Katie Perry/Orlando Bloom engagement]


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[Fandom: Fruits Basket]










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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's one thing to not actually include same sex ships, it's entirely another thing to obsessively make sure every single character who had even a whiff of queer potential ends up in a neat and tidy het ship, no exceptions.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT I get what you mean, I was only pointing out that it's not necessarily queerbaiting. Most of the readers would have started reading Furuba not expecting canon gay couples, but still appreciate the little shippy scenes. I feel with manga the focus on what's canon isn't quite as rigid as with other fandoms like say, Marvel or DC comics: the anime is not always faithful to the manga and adaptations change details all the time. (What the fans think of that is another matter.) I guess my point is, it's easy enough to disregard canon if I want to keep on shipping my OTP given that the original content itself changes the lore depending on adaptation.

That said, I'm not saying Takaya was a good writer. I tend to like open-ended stories so I can imagine whatever I want, but I also like seeing more romance stories where some people are allowed to be happy without being in a romantic relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I feel like you're making too much of the argument be about shipping when that doesn't have to be the issue of contention at all for some fans. Queerbaiting criticisms of Fruits Basket arise more from the confluence of the many poor depictions of gender and sexuality in the series, and the way the ending took a hard swerve to force everything back into traditional norms.

I only shipped Kyo/Tohru. By virtue of that fact, I should be happy with how the manga went, but I just can't ignore the other issues in the writing.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Okay that's valid. I was leaning more towards the other type of queerbaiting and didn't think too much about other representation of queerness. (Also I'm not sure why I put myself in this position when I don't think Furuba was great to begin with but here I am.)

I don't know much about how Japanese people view gender and sexuality. After all, a bishounen type of character with some feminine characteristics is generally heterosexual while the gay men are usually more of the muscly type (that appear more 'manly' to other cultures).

That said, I do see where you're coming from. Even if I'm completely mistaken, I just want people to remember what we might view as queerbaiting isn't necessarily the intent of the creator, given they come from different cultural traditions.

That said, I still don't think Furuba is that great so.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is, using homosexuality for humor, drama, and general set-dressing IS a tradition as far as shoujo tropes go, and Japan's cultural homophobia, while different from American homophobia, is a well-documented fact. The creator's intent was almost certainly in line with those contexts.