[ SECRET POST #616 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #616 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: 154

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See, I'm not sure that we're ever really meant to see anything HRG does as "justified." The way I see it, the whole point of his character is that he's totally amoral and totally devoted to his family. The only justification he ever uses for himself is loyalty to family, and before Claire was in danger from The Company, loyalty to his employers. Even now, his motivation of bringing down the Company is entirely rooted in his more basic motivation of protecting his family, i.e., Claire.

So are we supposed to agree with everything he does? No. I have little doubt that if/when Mohinder gets the details, he'll be aghast, because Mohinder is one of the few characters on the show who has much in the way of morals. Him and Peter and Hiro, although even the three of them were on some pretty shaky ground in s2. The show doesn't really have many characters I feel comfortable rooting for, and I generally have to settle for rooting against other characters.

Of course, I can't expect that fandom will agree with me on this. Most of the people who hang out in fandom like to have someone they can root for unconditionally, and some of them have some pretty weird taste in who that is.

Re: 154

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I don't disagree that I don't think we're supposed to support everything he does. But I do think the show gives him ground that it doesn't afford to other characters who make similar choices (to use a not Elle example here: Isaac ends up recruited by the Company through a combination of altruistic and selfish motivations, accidentally kills Simone, and then in what is described by the actor himself as something that was "coming" as a result, is killed by Sylar. Elle is probably a neater example in that her being tortured and shot didn't, I think, portray her as victim of Bennet, while Bennet was portrayed as a victim of the Company after he was shot, despite that Mohinder had done it because he was very, very clearly about to kill Bob. I cannot think of a single example in which Bennet faces some sort of consequence for his actions in which it is not on his own terms, or he is not fully portrayed as the one who is being wronged. The closest I can think is the seizure of his house by Matt and Ted, and again, I felt like a lot of that episode focused on explaining and at times justifying his actions and therefore making him sympathetic).

Look, if I had seen any indication from the show makers that describes Elle and Bennet's relationship as him manipulating her and that being a bad thing, I'd be more willing to believe that was what they intended. I haven't seen that - it's not talked about much at all, and the only time I really remember it coming up was Kristen from E! (which, for however you deem her as an interviewer) asking Jack Coleman if Bennet was going to "get back" at Elle. And his answer was mainly vague, in part because I don't think they'd started much of s3 at that time and were still sort of working off the scrapped continuation of s2 plans. But I've never seen anything short of how awesome Bennet is and how awesome his "morally grayness" is. Which calls in to question, to me, just how "morally gray" he's really being portrayed.

Let me put it this way: I don't mind that Elle's father is an asshole to her and that she still craves his approval. Bob is an asshole and is consistently portrayed as such. The same logic doesn't hold true to Bennet for me.