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[ SECRET POST #4449 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4449 ⌋

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[sense8]

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[mcu (bucky barnes /winter soldier)]

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[Hazel, from The Umbrella Academy]

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[The Breakfast Club]

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[Brooklyn Nine-Nine]

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[Wil Wheaton and Gates McFadden from Star Trek: The Next Generation]

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[Overwatch League]

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[Brooklyn Nine-Nine]

I tried watching this show (there was a bunch of eps on the plane when I was going on vacation) but... I just didn't find it funny enough to care? I know comedy is very hit and miss with me though, so I wouldn't say "it's terrible" or "it's not funny at all" to someone who enjoys it, I just didn't like it enough to watch long enough to be invested in the characters.

I did find it funny but I couldn't stand the Jake/Amy romance, couldn't stand anything related to Charles' personal life, and I found Gina approximately 40% as funny as the show found her.

..> yeah, I watch the show for Rosa and Holt.

(I agree with your other points; also, Jake reminds me too much of J.D. from Scrubs, which for me is not a plus.)

Same though. Sure there were funny things here and there, but I just couldn’t enjoy it.

I don't see how that's condescending. It's flippant, but it's also frequently a valid point.

This. It doesn't matter if a villain had understandable/sympathetic reasons for doing what they did, if they killed a bunch of people, that's... still murder.

Not OP but I have definitely seen it used in a dismissive and condescending way. I tend to reply with "Would you look at all the fucks I give" and call it even.

Yeah, sounds to me like OP just doesn't like when people rightfully call out woobification of murderous villains.

Yeah. Like, I love me some villains, but I'm not gonna pretend that they didn't do awful things. They did. You can like them and still acknowledge that they did awful things! It's okay!

Yes, you can acknowledge they did awful things. But you are allowed to like them. And this phrase is often used any time anyone says they like a villain or find them interesting. Some people use it to say you shouldn't like villains as characters. Some people use it to say that every single thing said about a villain should always be about how evil they are.

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(Anonymous) - 2019-03-12 21:42 (UTC) - Expand

It can be used rightly to call out woobification. But it is also often used any time anyone discusses a villain's motivations or post anything about a villain that isn't that they were evil from birth, are completely irredeemable, and they have no character at all apart from being evil.

So...literally in responses where they are pointing out that a character might have cool motives but still committed murder/evil? Seems pretty apropos then.

If nobody is saying it wasn't murder, nobody has any business butting in to point out the obvious. No shit it's murder, that's exactly what we're talking about. It doesn't even matter if we are trying to justify or "woobify" them (and usually we aren't, we know they did horrible things and that's why we love them). It's fictional murder. I don't give a shit about fictional murder victim #255335, I care about discussing the interesting character that murdered them.

This might be one of the only shows I've watched in the past decade or so that makes me laugh consistently. Not like... constantly, but I'll get a good couple of laughs at least for every episode.

Some episodes have left me in tears.

Idk anon. It's not my favorite ever, but you're probably doing yourself a disservice by avoiding it over an out of context quote.

I really enjoy this show and it seems a shame that you're put off by an overused out of context quote.

I get that the "cute cinnamon roll who was wronged by everyone" interpretation of antagonists is annoying. Even with a few villains among my faves it annoys me, but woobifying hasn't gone anywhere in my 15+ years in fandom and I doubt it ever will go anywhere. I no longer see the point in wasting my energy debating an interpretation of a character that I don't agree with so leave those people to it. On the other hand I often see that quote used in a way that suggests nobody on the opposite side of the extreme is interested in a nuanced discussion either.

Where does it come from?

Brooklyn Nine-Nine

Season 1, Episode 21

The quote, in context, is hilarious and makes perfect sense. It also was a meta comment on how the more serious crime shows eventually play the "justified murder" trope on some *shocking episode* yet the justification doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you put half-a-thought into it.

The whole scene plays like that. This out-of-the-blue serious justification of "why I did it" that's a whole lotta nonsense and Jake hitting back with the counterpoint that it's still murder.

Yes, and it's only used once! It's not a catchphrase or anything.

I kind of get you, OP, even though I love B99. It doesn't make me laugh, so much as it leaves me warm and fuzzy (Parks and Rec had the same effect for me).

I mean, if you like Parks and Rec, you'll probably like B99. I think the main difference between the two is that Parks and Rec was somewhat idealized in its own warped way, while B99 is less so (although it does have a bit of idealism in it).

Honestly, the reason why I love it is for a strange meta reason:

A million years ago Andre Braugher (Capt. Holt) played Det. Frank Pembleton on a show called Homicide: Life on the Streets. He won a shit-ton of acting awards. He was cited as being the best dramatic actor working in television during that time period. You literally couldn't take your eyes off of him. It was a mesmerizing performance.

Needless to say, I own *all* of the DVDs for this show.

In one of the commentaries for one of the episodes in one of the middle season, which was recorded contemporaneously when Braugher getting all of these dramatic acting plaudits, the writers were talking about how Braugher was actually this hilarious person and how his *dream job* was to be on an ensemble-style sitcom so he could actually get to be funny on screen.

And all of these writers were scratching their heads because, to them, it didn't make a damn bit of sense. This multiple-award winning dramatic actor wanted nothing more in life than to be on a broadcast network sitcom. That was this actor's ultimate dream and they just couldn't comprehend it.

It took Braugher 15 damn years to get his sitcom, but he *finally* got his sitcom. And what's more? He got his DREAM sitcom.

That's like...aspirational goals right there.

I dunno. I just find it weirdly inspirational.

Edited 2019-03-12 01:36 (UTC)

That's really awesome! Thanks for the Braugher story.

I like the show. Big fan. But if you never make it... that's okay. Time is finite and there's only so much you can devote to a show.

As a fan, though, one of the things I do like about the show is how it's a true ensemble show where characters interact with different people instead of the same combinations all the time.

I'm now imagining someone replying to one of my stan rants with this. I'd probably laugh. I love B99, and I don't think those commenters would be entirely serious.

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