[ SECRET POST #4449 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4449 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[sense8]


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[mcu (bucky barnes /winter soldier)]


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04.
[Hazel, from The Umbrella Academy]


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05.
[The Breakfast Club]


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06.
[Brooklyn Nine-Nine]


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07.
[Wil Wheaton and Gates McFadden from Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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08.
[Overwatch League]









Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 34 secrets from Secret Submission Post #637.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see how that's condescending. It's flippant, but it's also frequently a valid point.

[(Anonymous)]

This. It doesn't matter if a villain had understandable/sympathetic reasons for doing what they did, if they killed a bunch of people, that's... still murder.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP but I have definitely seen it used in a dismissive and condescending way. I tend to reply with "Would you look at all the fucks I give" and call it even.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, sounds to me like OP just doesn't like when people rightfully call out woobification of murderous villains.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Like, I love me some villains, but I'm not gonna pretend that they didn't do awful things. They did. You can like them and still acknowledge that they did awful things! It's okay!

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, you can acknowledge they did awful things. But you are allowed to like them. And this phrase is often used any time anyone says they like a villain or find them interesting. Some people use it to say you shouldn't like villains as characters. Some people use it to say that every single thing said about a villain should always be about how evil they are.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt I have seen this many times. According to some people you cannot say anything positive or light-hearted involving a villain or you are saying murder is OK.

[(Anonymous)]

We must be in very different fandoms, then, because some of my fandoms are full of people trying to justify the villains' actions and ignore how much harm they caused.

[(Anonymous)]

It can be used rightly to call out woobification. But it is also often used any time anyone discusses a villain's motivations or post anything about a villain that isn't that they were evil from birth, are completely irredeemable, and they have no character at all apart from being evil.

[(Anonymous)]

So...literally in responses where they are pointing out that a character might have cool motives but still committed murder/evil? Seems pretty apropos then.

[(Anonymous)]

If nobody is saying it wasn't murder, nobody has any business butting in to point out the obvious. No shit it's murder, that's exactly what we're talking about. It doesn't even matter if we are trying to justify or "woobify" them (and usually we aren't, we know they did horrible things and that's why we love them). It's fictional murder. I don't give a shit about fictional murder victim #255335, I care about discussing the interesting character that murdered them.