[ SECRET POST #4464 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4464 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'll never understand why so many people are against sibling ships, especially when they're not related - what's honestly the difference between two characters that were raised in the same household as opposed to two characters that were raised in separate households ("We've known each other since we were kids!" best friend to lover kind of tropes)? There's no power imbalance or anything. No one is getting hurt because of it, assuming it's consensual between both characters. What's the big deal?

[(Anonymous)]

Same. Like I understand the squick behind parent/child or like, aunt or uncle/child because there's that power imbalance, but as long as there's no imbalance between the siblings and it's consensual, who cares.

[(Anonymous)]

because some people are squicked out by incest in general?

harassing people over it is obvs over the line and what have you, but people being put off by siblings being written in romantic/sexual situations would be completely understandable and i fail to grasp how anyone could think it's weird of anyone to feel that way.

/ships incest by the way, i just get why people don't like it.

[(Anonymous)]

What's weird is so many people don't know -why- they are squicked by it. Rarely can anyone actually say what it is specifically about sibling incest that bothers them. It's just... 'understood' on some cosmic level or whatever. Like an unwritten rule that no one can be bothered to challenge. With related siblings, at least someone can argue that there's a genetic component to the squick factor. But what about unrelated siblings? Why is that so vulgar to so many people?

[(Anonymous)]

Do you demand people justify and challenge why they're squicked by scat, or noncon/dubcon, or underage pairings? Or is it just incest?

People are squicked by the shit that squicks them. Sometimes it's because of personal experience. Sometimes it's the thought of being in that position themself. Sometimes it's the way they've adopted a common cultural taboo. Sometimes it's just something they find viscerally gross. Insisting it needs to be explained is just the other side of the asshole coin from demanding people justify their kink.

[(Anonymous)]

*snorts* 'Demand' and 'insist'. How dramatic.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, yes, you're so much more sophisticated and worldly than the plebs who don't like incest, we know.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, that's not the reason~

[(Anonymous)]

squicks are by their nature things that bother people that they can't really explain, it's how that idea works.

though incest is a genuine social taboo because of how damaging it is to the victim, or victims, involved.

like i'm not gonna wonder why people don't like scat or watersports either, to people not into it it's just kinda icky and gross.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe I should have clarified that I can see why people don't ship it, but not why it bothers them that other people ship it.

[(Anonymous)]

probably because it's a pretty big social taboo, just like how people get super bothered by people that ship shota and loli, it's not just shipping something more risqué those are things that are literally illegal irl.

i think people just have a harder time reconciling that if they're not into it, which i think is fair tbh. so long as they're not harassing anyone over it they can carry on not liking it and even judging those that do in their own heads for all i care.

[(Anonymous)]

This is my perspective as an outsider (i.e. someone who sees people angrily railing against sibling ships but who is pretty *shrug* about sibling ships):

I think a lot of fandom doesn't actually understand morality intuitively -- they understand morality only by accepting rules that are widely agreed to be correct and then cranking a handle on the rule to see what positions it derives. The anti-sibling-incest position arrives from cranking the handle on two rules that fandom generally accepts:

Rule 1: Incest is squicky = illegal = wrong = has real-life victims. (Conflation between all of these things.) Despite the weirdness of this position, societally, most people do agree to all parts of that statement.

Rule 2: Family relations are defined by choice: Adopted children/parents are real children/parents. Whether a child is adopted or biological should make zero difference in your evaluation of them; if you classify them as being of different "type" in any way, you are immoral. If you cut abusive parents from your life and find a new family, that family is real and legitimate and you owe nothing to your biological parents just because they conceived you. This position is more controversial in wider society, but if you're woke/socially aware (like fandom tends to be) this position is unquestionably right.

Because incest is defined by family relations, applying Rule 1 and Rule 2 derives the position that you must treat shipping people raised by siblings in the exact same way as you treat biological incest pairings. Any deviation is a sign of immorality.

The actual reasons / justification underlying the commonly accepted positions are irrelevant -- including considerations that DO depend on biological (and fictional!) aspects of the characters. All that matters is the Rules that fandom has accepted as correct and the stances 100% consistent with the Rules.

That's how I see it anyway. I view fandom as weirdly lacking an intuitive (maybe "empathy-based" might be a better term?) understanding of how morality works that they use accepted rules as crutches to intellectually construct a morality rather than rely on their own moral system to understand the root justifications of those rules.