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⌈ Secret Post #4464 ⌋

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Comments

[4thofeleven]

I thought Mark Hamill did a fantastic job, and his character was far and away the highlight of the movie.

It was a terrible characterization of Luke Skywalker, however.

[(Anonymous)]

It's for this reason that it'll be a looooooooooooong time before I see the movie. Characterization is so important to me, and I hate seeing it bastardized for the sake of someone's plot.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a matter of interpretation, though. I loved the characterization of Luke in TLJ and thought it made perfect sense and totally fit.

[(Anonymous)]

A matter of interpretation? Not really. If your plot is forcing someone into a certain end, with zero consideration of who they are or how they have acted in the past... or worse, someone being subjected to, "this plot works because someone they're related to was an asshole, therefore it runs in the family and they can't escape that curse because DNA overrides everything else a person is!" then your plot needs to do much, much better.

I'll admit I didn't see the movie, but from reading the reviews and other people's reactions, I'm getting a feeling of déjà vu from when I watched Anakin break down in the prequels.

[(Anonymous)]

Clearly you didn't see it because nothing of the plot of the new movies says that anyone did what they did because it runs in the family. Kylo admires a distorted version of Vader, yes (distorted because Snoke told him lies about Vader, so he doesn't know that Anakin turned good again before he died). But the movie makes clear that me made his own choices.

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you arguing about interpretation and characterization in a movie you haven't seen?

[(Anonymous)]

There is no sense in which it wa an unbelievable characterization of Luke Skywalker. It was a different characterization than Luke in the OT, yes. It was also a much older Luke.

[(Anonymous)]

"B-but he's older, so it makes sense that he'd suddenly become completely OOC!!"

Aging does not change you that drastically.

[(Anonymous)]

"characterization I personally don't like" =/= "out of character"

IMO, doing all that he did and then having the burden of the entire universe on him, only to see the same evil rising up again in the First Order? No wonder he's tired. And he HATES himself for his weakness in what he did to Ben/Kylo, and what the consequences of that were. I'm sorry he's not bright-eyed and 20 anymore, but shit happens.

Besides, angsting in the middle of nowhere is like a Jedi Master coming-of-old-age thing by now, isn't it?

[(Anonymous)]

"Characterisation I like" =/= "in character/good characterisation" though. I don't even mind most of Luke's development and characterisation (though I think it had its issues, especially in some scene that should have been killed with fire) but just because you like something doesn't mean it's great and without fault.

[(Anonymous)]

No shit?? people ITT are just pointing out it's a matter of opinion and not some absolute fact that Luke was "ooc". As someone else said, people are allowed to disagree with you.

[(Anonymous)]

You can certainly make an argument that it's bad characterization but the idea that it's fundamentally unrealistic because aging doesn't change people that much is not a good argument.

[(Anonymous)]

It could. It doesn't have to but it's not fundamentally unrealistic to have a guy be bitter and disillusioned in old age.

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking as an oldie, yes it can.

[(Anonymous)]

Aging does not change you that drastically.

Why not? Depends on what he went through.