[ SECRET POST #4465 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4465 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say both feelings are valid, but not addressing the same issues.

#1 is about representation.
#2 is about being relatable.

Now, if it were "I can't relate to straight white males, but straight white males should relate to people like me," that would be hypocritical. But that's not what they're saying. They're saying, "I can relate to straight white males, but I dislike that straight white males are the ones I'm always forced to relate to because those are what the characters are a majority of the time. I'd like to relate to someone like me more often."

Straight white males cannot claim the latter thing, "I dislike that LGBTQ/POC characters are the ones I'm always forced to relate to because those are what the characters are most of the time," so they're different situations.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, missed a few words in there: "I'd like to *be able to* relate to someone like me more often."

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly.....I didn't think it was rocket science trying to understand what both statements mean. But people will twist and take things to a stupid literal point to play dumb about representation.

[(Anonymous)]

This was originally a comment!secret and people made that very point to the original poster, and they proceeded to get very salty about how ALL THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT THIS PARTICULAR ARGUMENT IS POORLY PHRASED THAT'S ALL THE SECRET SAYS OK

[liz_marcs]

MTE. I was thinking that you can say both statements and not contradicting yourself.

I mean, when I was a kid, it was even more restrictive. Blonde women were invariably the heroines, while brunette women were invariable the bad guys. And when they weren't the bad guys, they were the ones with a "jealousy" issues in the group because of the blonde who was invariably the golden child.

As a girl with brown hair, I wouldn't done anything to have someone whose name wasn't Wonder Woman, who was pretty much the only good guy brunette in the bunch as far as mainstream Saturday morning cartoons go.

I mean, I know it sounds crazy now, but that was pretty much everywhere. To the point that I my child self wanted to be blonde...which was never going to happen.

Now if I felt like that as a white kid with brown hair, I can't imagine how much WORSE it was for someone who was POC or LGBTQ.

Like you said: It isn't that people have problems with cis, straight, white men per se. I mean, look around fandom. These characters and actors get HUUUUUUGE love. They're not in danger of disappearing any time soon.

But it's just nice that there's more variety these days, y'know. No enough, but more than what we had growing up. And I can't fault anyone that wants a lot more variety so they can stan character who better reflects them and their families (and as someone pointed out...it would be really helpful if the people BEHIND the camera had more variety as well).

Plus the fact that we who are not at the cis,straight, white male end of the spectrum are expected to associate ourselves with said character. It really does grind my gears whenever a guy immediately complains when the lead in, well, anything doesn't look reflect them. Why am I expected to and they're not? It just seems a bit greedy on their part.