[ SECRET POST #4466 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4466 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I just wonder whether he was really that stuck in childhood, but more pathetically so than previously acknowledged, OR if he completely played up the "Peter Pan Syndrome" thing to get away with what he did. I haven't watched the documentary, I don't think I could stomach it, but I grew up when he was popular and remember how he was always saying he never got to be a real kid. It probably made parents a LOT more inclined to trust him with their kids.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it matters. He wasn't mentally incompetent. He knew what he was doing was wrong. Whether he was actually child-like or faking it, he knew.

[(Anonymous)]

I think he was really stuck in childhood, yeah. I think he was mentally ill. Not an excuse for his behavior, but it's hard for me to see him as a manipulator. More as a grown-up kid who didn't understand that it wasn't okay to play sex games with his friends anymore. Because his friends were children, and he wasn't. But then I think part of him also did understand it was wrong and wish he could change. I think he's a perfect example of how abuse shapes people's sense of morality so they no longer understand boundaries themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

I totally agree.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh, maybe he was but I don't think that excuses anything he did. There is definitely something off about him.

I'm mostly shocked that nobody seemed to question it more during the times MJ was openly hanging out with little boys and having photoshoots with them. If that happened today it would be a huge deal, but why did everyone accept it back then?

[greghousesgf]

not everyone did. A lot of people were suspicious of him then.

[(Anonymous)]

There were a ton of jokes about how he was a child molester, even back then, and it honestly was just generally accepted that he was but people kept handing over their kids. Like, I can remember "Billie Jean is not my lover, the kid is" from the late 80s.

[tabaqui]

But the kid is not my son would be the complete lyric, geez. He wasn't singing about a kid being his lover.

[(Anonymous)]

He's "stuck in his childhood" the same way cycle of abuse usually works and abuse is passed down. I'm sure fixating on children innocence is part of his mental illness, but he spun it so it sounded like HE HIMSELF had childish innocence. Not just that, but there were people who seemed to think he had the mental capacity of a child and thus is "forgivable" (because we forgive children, and usually mentally disabled people to an extent)--I don't believe anyone who can spin a story like that in his own favor is acting in any way but downright sinister.

(I'm fairly sure I'm using certain words wrong but I'm too lazy to look things up, have some elementary school level English bois.)

[(Anonymous)]

This was something somewhat addressed in the documentary. It seemed like something he was playing up for the parents to help them into thinking sending their sons to have overnights with him would be the same as sending them to any other same-aged friends house. So, yeah.

For me, what resonated the most in the stories was how much of these men's identities were spun around whatever MJ was telling them as they grew up. He told them that they were talented, special, and loved. They built their adult lives on the things they believed from him as children. Therefore, they couldn't accept how deeply they were manipulated for sex. If they believed he manipulated them for that, they would have to call into question the basic core of their identities. And both men actually seem to be doing this now that they have sons.