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⌈ Secret Post #4472 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone should get free money but if after a certain point it becomes clear that someone doesn’t try to improve their life and simply live off the money, the government should stop the handouts. Or put the person on pause until they get their shit together.

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, why? Second, how do you judge that in a way that's objective and not more expensive than it's worth?

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

I think the UBI idea itself is idealistic. In an ideal world everyone would use the money wisely or save it up intead of blowing it buying unecessary things or gambling etc and needing even more money to dig themselves out of holes they made themselves.

Whether an unemployed person becomes employed or self employed or volunteers, i.e. becomes a contributing member of society in some way, instead of sitting around waiting for the government to give you free money instead of blaming their unemployed status on immigrants taking away their jobs or some similar bullshit. Whether employed people remain employed and spend their money wisely, so their debt history maybe. Although the judging can be easily exploited.

Billionaires and millionaires are not eligible for the UBI because why would they need it.

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

People who have no desire to do anything productive are suffering from some sort of mental bullshit going on. Taking away support is counterintuitive.

Even if they are a lazy good for nothing, do you really want someone who would half ass their job to work?

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

Pretend I put a usually between "are" and "suffering" and got rid of "going on"

I have no excuse for my crimes against the English language but I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're being kind of naive if you're saying everyone who would not voluntarily work and do something productive to society if provided for are simply mentally ill and so therefore should be enabled by the government.

While mental health can be a factor, that's absurd to say that accounts for the majority of unproductive people. And enabling unproductive lifestyles isn't even good for those with depression and other mood disorders that could be causing it.

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

You can't live comfortably solely on a UBI if you have no job. What are they suggesting, like $10,000 UBI in America? If anything, a UBI will provide some "wiggle room" for the working class and the poor. You may not have to be homeless, starving, become ill because you can't afford to take care of yourself, etc. with a UBI. You can possibly take a class or two at a community college to further your education, treat yourself to organic food instead of cheap shit food that you usually eat because it's all you can afford...and so on and so forth. A UBI provides a lot of help!

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

I could agree with a supplement like that to help people squeeze by, but I don't agree with an income that covers all needs and the only incentive for people to work is "fun money".

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

DA

There are LOTS of things between "bare necessities covered" and "working just for fun". I don't know where your got your idea of UBI somehow meaning a comfortable middle class income but that's not the one most people are using.

It generally just means enough money so you won't starve or be homeless.

Re: Universal Basic Income

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT—most UBI proposals I’ve seen range from a low of $7,200/year to a high of $30,000/year. A living wage, where you can afford necessities (50% of your income), buy some fun stuff (30%), and put money in savings (20%), ranges from $58,000/year in Mississippi to $136,000/year in Hawaii. Source:

https://www.gobankingrates.com/making-money/jobs/living-wage-every-state/

So even the most generous UBI covers the basics of survival in Mississippi with hardly anything left over, while being not enough to live on by itself almost everywhere else. And most UBI proposals (until everything’s fully automated and we reach post-scarcity utopia or whatever) are meant to supplement wage income, not replace it.

I don’t know anyone who would settle for a survival UBI when they had the chance at fun money as well, at least not permanently. Many people have times in their lives when other things (education, their health or the health of loved ones, a new baby, etc) should take precedence over their jobs, but they can’t quit their 9 to 5 to finish their degree or bond with their kid or make sure grandma’s broken hip heals okay or rest up after chemo.