[ SECRET POST #4473 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4473 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Note from OP: All images obtained without creepy family stalking: James & Sullivan Marsters' from a promo shot for their band, Jensen & JJ Ackles' from Jensen's public Instagram]


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Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #640.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Nah.

[(Anonymous)]

Good (or at least popular) writers generally are the ones with enough business sense to delete their fics and file off the serial numbers to publish.

[feotakahari]

If nothing else, it feels kind of backwards that fans make money off of canon creators’ ideas, but canon creators don’t make money off of fans’ ideas.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd agree if it's an indie game or something, but the major fandoms are for multi-million dollar franchises that don't need the spare change. And in the case of Disney, stuff that would be public domain had they not used their money and power to screw over copyright laws and blatantly disregard copyright in Zootopia and Lion King.

[(Anonymous)]

Won't the fans think of the Disney Corporation???

[(Anonymous)]

I'm still sad about Kindle Worlds being discontinued. It seemed like a great idea to monitize fanfic in such a way to benefit both writer and creator.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean corporations make money off creator's ideas and give them a tiny percentage.

[(Anonymous)]

It’s telling, all right. It’s telling me that good authors are screwing themselves by leaving their self-esteem issues untreated. Love yourself enough to charge, guys.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah.

[(Anonymous)]

There is undoubtedly some truth to this for some fic writers. Tons of people don't know how to value their own work and default to massively undervaluing it. That's unquestionably a thing.

However, a fair few excellent fic writers are also just...people with pretty good jobs that pay them fairly well, who are genuinely only writing fanfic because they like it. Like, I have zero qualifications and zero upward mobility, so I very often find myself thinking, "Oh my god, it's a crime this person isn't getting paid to write!" But then I'll see the author's notes and, oh gee, turns out they're a fucking DOCTOR (or whatever), lol, they probably don't really care that they could theoretically be raking in an extra hundred dollars a month off their writing.

[(Anonymous)]

If you think the only way people can value their work is in the financial sense, you're the one with issues. Value ≠ money.

[(Anonymous)]

Bollocks. We don't all write for money and we don't all measure our 'self-esteem' that way either. How fucking patronising.

Fandom isn't supposed to be work.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no. I'm a popular writer in my fandoms, but charging for my writing would instantly kill my joy in doing it. This is supposed to be fun, not a freaking job.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, same. It's one thing if someone pays you to draw a personal fanart commission for them, but it's something else entirely to draw fanart and then sell dozens and dozens of prints of it. That's not your property, you don't have the right to be making money off it.

[(Anonymous)]

TIL that if I spend hours drawing something, the corporations own every red cent of it and I'm not allowed to make money off of my own hard work.

[11thmirror]

Actually a couple of writers I really like have patreons and kofis and so forth. One I know relies on Patreon for grocery money, and another puts her donations towards a friend's chemo.
But you might think they were terrible writers too, I guess?

[(Anonymous)]

-shrugs- I don't have a problem with fic authors or fanartists charging, especially if they're doing specialized commissions. I certainly don't feel bad at all if anyone tries to profit off of a big corporation, seeing as the business of copyright has become such a monster in regards to public domain. Tit for tat there.

Also, what is it 'telling' of when a not-so-good fan writer offers their services as opposed to a seemingly more skilled one? If it was in the reverse, and it was a good writer profiting off of an IP that wasn't theirs, would that make it any less questionable?

[(Anonymous)]

I have no problem with fanworks creators making money off their fanworks.

That said, ideally, I would like it if an arrangement could be reached so that the owners of the intellectual property (by which I mean the source text, not the fanwork) received a cut of the profits.

HOWEVER, if I had to choose between the IP owners gouging the hell out of fan creators by taking the lion's share of the profits, or IP owners getting nothing, then my loyalties lie with the fans not the IP owners.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, yes, because Disney and Square Enix need all those fanart dollars.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a fanartist, but I dunno if it's just because I'm old or what, but the idea of making money off my fanart has always made me uncomfortable.

(I don't judge my friends in the community who do, and I recognize I'm in the minority here.)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see it a lot, but the times I do, they really just seem to play the pity card. So yeah, I agree. Maybe it's different in other fandoms, but all I gots to say is beggars can't be choosers, so stop trying so hard.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate it. I think it shows how much people are disconnected from RL community, and they put all their eggs in this one basket, fandom community - which cannot and should not be All Things to us. It's also a symptom of how hobbies can't just be hobbies anymore without being a side hustle. It's somewhat just the time we live in, but I don't have to like it.

[(Anonymous)]

The "fair use" defense become really tenuous when you start using the same funding model that's currently used to produce commercial work. See the whole thing with "Prelude to Axanar." It really doesn't matter in copyright terms if you're operating your business enterprise in an unprofitable way. Sooner or later sites that process payments for derivative fanwork are going to be expected to drop the banhammer on that material. (Especially with the new EU rules, they'll probably have to do it preemptively.)

[(Anonymous)]

I do agree with this somewhat. For the most part (with a few exceptions) it’s hard to make consistent income off of fandom anyway. I write fanfic as a hobby, and that’s how I prefer it to be.