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⌈ Secret Post #4479 ⌋

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I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[(Anonymous)]

I think there can be a love story were a guy starts out as a jerk or even a villain and comes to realize his behavior is hurtful and wrong because of how the girl reacts so he should try and be a better person for himself as well as her. InuYahsa and Kagome is one my favorite romances of all time. But, that's not usually how it goes. It's "I want to get in her pants, so I'm a good person now" or in Snape's case "my long time crush was killed by my genocidal master, so I'm quitting the evil genocidal club."

Love doesn't change people overnight. Sometimes it doesn't really change people at all. Self-improvement is a long, drawn out process of self-discovery that one takes for their own sake, not just to become good enough to get rewarded with sex.

It's so disgusting.

Re: I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if it makes you feel any better, Snape changed as little as he possibly could while still quitting the evil genocidal club.

Re: I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[(Anonymous)]

Lol

Re: I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[(Anonymous)]

Original Anon

Strangely enough, it doesn't make me feel that much better.

Re: I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[(Anonymous)]

Quitting the evil genocidal club part time you mean.

Re: I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[(Anonymous)]

I like them, but only when the villain character already knows their behavior is reprehensible, and is already wrestling with self-loathing for their actions when they fall for someone who they’ll fight to change for. Snape’s not that sort of character; his self-loathing (at least, the loathing at his own actions) only kicked into high gear when Lily was murdered, and I don’t know how much he came to regret his involvement with the Death Eaters for more than her death. I think he did, a bit, but he never became a kinder or more thoughtful person, he just switched sides.

Re: I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[(Anonymous)]

Original anon

Exactly. A lot of people are guff, sarcastic, and guarded with their feelings but that doesn't automatically make them jerks. Snape wouldn't have needed to do a complete 180 from his personality as a young man to who he is as an adult. However, someone having suffered what Snape had might have inspired him to not make everyone else around him suffer needlessly. There simply is no excuse for making fun of a 15 year old girl's appearance in front of her peers or trying to poison someone's pet.

Villain redemption arcs through love can be done well but they rarely are.

Re: I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[philstar22]

This. He was bullied. So he became an adult who bullied kids? Not very sympathetic, and as someone who was bullied as a kid, he should know what it feels like. He's a terrible person.

Re: I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. It has be them realizing that they’re hurting others or coming across like a jerk and wanting not to because they don’t want to be that person.

Re: I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[dahli]

Love doesn't change people overnight. Sometimes it doesn't really change people at all. Self-improvement is a long, drawn out process of self-discovery that one takes for their own sake, not just to become good enough to get rewarded with sex.

Amen.

I hate the trope, too (not to that extreme but yeah) it's definitely doing something good for the wrong reasons. And when they don't get what they want, i.e. getting into the hero or heroine's pants, they will return back to being evil, leaving the whole trying to be good shtick to rot which ends up feeling like cheap drama.