[ SECRET POST #4479 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4479 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/XDrzTSX.png

[(Anonymous)]

I've never had strong feelings about Snape in general or his motivations in particular, but I like your version better.

[(Anonymous)]

I like your version better, too. I don't mind the whole "redeemed for love" trope, but it's something that's rare done well, and IMO, Rowling is not the writer to handle nuanced plots or character development.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone spell it out like this, and it finally makes me realize why I didn't like the backstory but also didn't agree with why so many people seemed to object to it. Thanks, OP!

[philstar22]

I agree with everything you've said.

[bur]

My god yes.

[(Anonymous)]

Except JK's entire point is love wins them all, so it's perfectly in line with her perspective, whether you like it or not.

[philstar22]

I actually think there were ways to write it where, for example, his friendship with Lily slowly changes his perspective and made him a better person. That isn't what she wrote, though. She could have made it work, and she didn't, at least not for me. I'm fine with love equals redemption stories when they work. This one didn't.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't read it as him being redeemed by/for love. That's just too simplistic. Snape is a messy mixture of contempt, pathetic unrequited love, selfishness, and regret, and none of that changes for me because of the Lily backstory. For that matter, the fact that he let this regret and "lost love" (which was never his to begin with) guide his actions for the rest of his life... only adds to the selfish and pathetic quality of his character for me. He wasn't redeemed. He was a sorry old fool.
Which is what makes him such a fascinating character, probably the most uniquely fascinating of all JKR created.

Agreed, but...

[(Anonymous)]

We're supposed to think Snape was genuinely heroic and good verse a sorry old fool. The framing of his character is what bothers me about Snape, not the character himself.

[morieris]

I would have preferred that...I find that Rowling loved shoving in romance at random, like...maybe that's how people act, but I'm always surprised at how out of left field Harry's feelings for Ginny were AND the Snape reveal.

[philstar22]

My problem with it is that she just doesn't write romance well. Other types of love she writes well. She was very good with friendships and familial love. But every single one of her romances were terrible.

[(Anonymous)]

Harry/Ginny wasn't as weird in the 6th because they were teenagers and crushes can come and go pretty easily. That they stayed together foe +19 years and got married is an entirely other matter.

[(Anonymous)]

i thought his redemption was shit in general

six and a half books of the stereotypical Evil Teacher before suddenly being a hero all along makes me feel like it was never planned, just pulled out of jk's arse very late in the day (probably around the time she realised that alan rickman was too awesome to die like a chump)

[(Anonymous)]

I would honestly not hate it as much if this had been the stated reason - I too can understand not wanting a character played by Alan Rickman to die like a chump. (It would still be sh*t, but personally understandable.)

[(Anonymous)]

I like Snape okay, but I like your idea more than the canon

[(Anonymous)]

Don’t like the this paring, but I do like this art style.

[(Anonymous)]

I low-key try pretend that Snape didn’t have the hots for Lily, that it was a friendship that he ruined.

[(Anonymous)]

This is assuming he got better.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought that Snape’s love for Lily was a starting point for his “redemption” and that he wasn’t some nice guy who just continued lusting after Lily for all those years after her death.

I have a deep, vitriolic hatred of "he changed for her" love stories

[(Anonymous)]

I think there can be a love story were a guy starts out as a jerk or even a villain and comes to realize his behavior is hurtful and wrong because of how the girl reacts so he should try and be a better person for himself as well as her. InuYahsa and Kagome is one my favorite romances of all time. But, that's not usually how it goes. It's "I want to get in her pants, so I'm a good person now" or in Snape's case "my long time crush was killed by my genocidal master, so I'm quitting the evil genocidal club."

Love doesn't change people overnight. Sometimes it doesn't really change people at all. Self-improvement is a long, drawn out process of self-discovery that one takes for their own sake, not just to become good enough to get rewarded with sex.

It's so disgusting.

[sabotabby]

I would have liked your version much better. I’m a sucker for morally ambiguous spies and deep cover.

[(Anonymous)]

Not many Snape fans in this thread, I see.

Firstly, reducing his feelings for Lily to a "crush" is missing a lot. She was his best and maybe only friend. Possibly the only person, until her death, that showed him love (I'm not sure even his mom did). There's nothing to prove, besides the word of a twisted genocidial maniac who didn't know the first thing about love, platonic or romantic, that he was in love or lusted after Lily. But he loved her, that's not up for debate.

Lastly, maybe it started with him switching side because (possibly) the only person he cared about at the time was in danger (not killed mind you, he went onto Dumbledore'side to save her) but after her death it became something more. He did eventually change. "Lately only those I couldn't save". This quote shows that he wanted to save other people that had nothing to do with Lily nor Harry. This stop being only about her a long time ago.

And, really, you're gonna blame a dying man to want a bit of comfort in his last moments ? There's a lots more to this "Look at me" quote too. Yes, there's the desire to see the same eyes as those of a beloved one (comfort) but there's also the desire for Harry himself to look at him, to see him as he is without all the pretenses that his spy role and everything else have forced him to adopt. For me, he was still seeking forgiveness.

Snape is a very grey character, and that's why I love him.

[(Anonymous)]

I would have been much happier if everything about their history had remained the same EXCEPT it was left totally ambiguous whether he loved her or not. That would definitely have created a lot of fanwank (I live for that shit), but story-wise it would have been more interesting to have the official line be that his motivation for changing was friendship and true feelings of penance. Then at least the whole thing wouldn't have read like something one might find browsing an incel forum.

[(Anonymous)]

God same.

I was a huge Snape fan and the allure of a character doing right when they really like doing wrong was appealing.