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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-04-15 06:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #4483 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4483 ⌋

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Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-04-15 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
How to reason with them then? Hard to reason with someone who won't believe facts.

Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-04-15 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
TBH, as a stranger, there's not much you can do beyond strengthing vax legislation. If it's someone you know, find common ground (ie child's health), keep as neutral and non-judgemental as possible, make them question their sources , and bow out if things are getting heated. It's not easy or super effective by any means, but it's a whole hell of lot better than making fun of them.

Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, legislation is honestly the only way we're gonna get unfucked. And here's my unpopular opinion: literally every single exemption outside of immunodisorders (diagnosed by a professional) that would prevent a child from receiving vaccines should be eliminated. No more religious exemptions. Nothing. Your kid is vaxxed, has papers saying they literally can't, or your kid is not going to any daycare/school/camp/etc.

Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly. Some people just will not listen to logic and facts no matter what angle you come at it from.

Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
I've heard that going, "You know I used to think [X] + [maybe some elaboration on why you thought X], but then I read/took a class/was told by someone in the know/had an illuminating experience and it changed my viewpoint a bit," is a way of disagreeing with someone that it more likely to affect their own opinion. And while you're still probably only going to have an incremental effect on that person's opinion (if any at all), I think using that basic format is probably more effective than most other ways of disagreeing with someone.

HOWEVER, honestly? I freely admit I don't have the patience to baby people about their harmfully stupid and/or hateful opinions. It would be more constructive if I did, but I don't. And I fully understand why other people don't either.

Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly. It's not hard in this day and age to do proper research about vaccines. You have to try really, really hard to remain that ignorant.

Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think you get how propaganda works

Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
Propaganda doesn't remove your ability to exercise critical thinking skills and do your own independent research, or consult your primary physician.

Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
No, but it makes more likely that they'll consult the wrong resources and stop believing their primary physician. A lot of anti-vaxxers don't even have a primary physician.