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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-04-15 06:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #4483 ]


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(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
No, I'm comparing people who might say "I'm proud to be white" to people who might say "Godfidence".

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with either of those things.

But context and history matters, and that's why both parties would get more backlash for them than someone going "I'm proud to be gay."

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
"No, I'm comparing people who might say "I'm proud to be white" to people who might say "Godfidence"."

And that's an idiotic comparison. 'White pride' is white supremacy.

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
The interesting thing is, you are arguing that... because of context and history.

If you use the exact same word, Pride, but say Black Pride, that doesn't mean black supremacy, does it? Gay Pride doesn't mean gay supremacy, does it?

Christians get backlash for showing 'Christian pride' because of context and history. 'Godfidence' has a different contextual meaning, and gets different backlash, from 'Lesbonfidence'... because of context and history.

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
And yet normal people don't take 'Godfidence' as being synonymous with white supremacism. Just those looking to be offended.

Whereas someone saying "White pride!" will draw comparisons of white supremacy by everyone.

(Anonymous) 2019-04-16 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
I'm... not saying Christian pride = white nationalism. I'm not sure where you got that idea or why you are insisting that's what this discussion is about.

I'm saying the similar-but-not-the-same factors and circumstances apply in how people react and give backlash to them. Because white supremacy has been an oppressive force on minorities for a long time historically in this particular context. Christian dominance has, in a similar-but-not-exactly-the-same-way, been an oppressive force on minorities for a long time historically in this particular context.

They are not the same thing, nor do they have the same goals, but they are similar in the systematic oppression they have put upon people, historically, influencing how statements about pride in the group are received today.

Is that clearer for you?