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⌈ Secret Post #4496 ⌋

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Comments

[chamonix]

I find it so exasperatingly tiresome that the show went the route of making them rivals. They are both incredibly capable women who have very similar histories of survival and claiming of personal agency. Honestly, South Queen Dany and North Queen Sansa is the best thing that could ever happen to Westeros and it's a pipe dream I have accepted will probably not happen.

[(Anonymous)]

ooohhh i like that idea.

we got tiny hope for that when sansa asked about the north last episode, but dany didn't seem too enthusiastic about that.
let's keep our fingers crossed, it might still happen

[chamonix]

I do think Dany would be open to considering the idea, especially since the last episode made such a show of her observing the incredibly strong bond these people have with each other (just look at her face when Brienne speaks up for Jaime, and Sansa's reaction to Theon pledging to fight for Winterfell. She is watching and taking it all in).

One of the things I like best about the connection between Sansa and Dany is these two quotes:

"Sansa had always heard that love was a surer route to the people’s loyalty than fear. If I am ever Queen, I’ll make them love me."

"Dany had no wish to reduce King's Landing to a blackened ruin full of unquiet ghosts. She had supped enough on tears. I want to make my kingdom beautiful, to fill it with fat men and pretty maids and laughing children. I want my people to smile when they see me ride by."

They are so similar.

[(Anonymous)]

Is that from the books? Because those lines sound familiar, but i don't think i have read them (yet - i am on book 4 at the moment)

[chamonix]

They are both from A Clash of Kings. I think they are paraphrased on the show; I'm sure I remember Sansa saying some version of her quote in season 2 or 3.

[(Anonymous)]

yikes, i think it's time i hurry up with my reading so i can get a second read in soon. XD

[chamonix]

Honestly I do the same thing - you want to absorb the story so quickly you race ahead and don't realise you're scan reading like 12 chapters! I had to go back and look up exactly which book they were from.

[sparklywalls]

I really like this idea but am just so used to the show doing the opposite of what I'd like that I'm half expecting Sansa and Dany to die and Jon ends up on the throne. Sigh.

[chamonix]

If that happens I will be so pissed. Dany's arc subverts so many gendered traditional fantasy tropes that ending the series with "Jk! Turns out the simple boy who was a secret prince all along inherits the throne, and the arc of the disenfranchised powerless girl who claws her way to victory through sheer faith and strength of character means nothing". I mean I like Jon, but... yikes.

[sparklywalls]

Fortunately I do think Jon is a wee bit TOO obvious with everything going on in his character arc. Also when I read the books I felt like Dany was GRRM's favourite in terms of candidates for the throne (we know his ultimate fave is Tyrion but Tyrion has done literally nothing in both books and show for what feels like forever now...)

However, if I expect to be disappointed then I hopefully get to be surprised later!

[(Anonymous)]

imo its more obvious that jon is going to die - he was resurrected by the lord of light ti help fight the night king; so i feel like jon is going to die as soon as the night king is defeated, because then he has fulfilled the purpose he was resurrected for.

[chamonix]

I feel this is likely as well. The possibility of him having impregnated Dany (as the show is heavily hinting) only adds to the weight of that. It's a refreshing (yet still depressing) twist on the breed-and-die trope, where it's usually the mother who gets fridged.

[(Anonymous)]

dany pregnant by jon would tie up nicely with the targaryen incest baby tradition tho....

my money is on arya getting knocked up by that gendry boy. "the seed is strong" they said about robert... maybe that extends to gendry as well? but i am holding my breath bc i fear gendry is on the kill list for tonight...

[sparklywalls]

Oh for sure, there has to be some payment for the fact he was brought back. As I said, I don't want him on the throne so just expect it because I'm used to disappointment!

I'm actually 98% sure it won't happen and he is going to die (again.)

[chamonix]

Honestly I was expecting Tyrion to be the third head of the dragon. His plot armour notwithstanding, the seeds have been planted for him to be yet ANOTHER secret Targ. It was mentioned - possibly in World Of Ice And Fire? that Aerys had a thing for Tywin's wife Joanna. It would certainly add an interesting dimension to Tywin's hatred of Tyrion if he turned out to be Aerys' bastard.

Even without that, I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM had book!Tyrion on Viserion at some point.

[sparklywalls]

Everyone was so sure Tyrion was gonna be the third rider in the show and I was actually convinced for a while too but...yeah look what happened.

I am expecting there to be one last super special twist with Tyrion because of the fact he is an author and fan favourite. He was actually one of my favourites for so long but the fifth book really soured me on him. In the show he's ok, it's just there hasn't really been much for him to do.

[sabotabby]

I would love this so much. I still like Sansa way better—is she the first candidate who has actually paid attention to logistics? Besides Tyrion when he was Hand—but I'd settle for them dividing the Seven Kingdoms between them.

Or they could just get married.

[chamonix]

YES PLEASE to the marriage. The stuff dreams are made of!

I loved how they noted that Sansa was actually paying attention to things like provisions. It really gets gut-wrenching when you realise that Sansa was right in the middle of the King's Landing famine riots in season 2; she has seen first-hand what hunger can do to ordinary people in a frighteningly short amount of time. Her attention to the state of the grain stores is not pedestrian or boring. She understands exactly how little time it takes before loyal people turn into desperate monsters through a simple lack of resources.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get why Dany is so resistant to giving up the North when she's already parted with some of her Seven Kingdoms already (Yara and the Iron Islands). Just let Sansa have the North already!

[(Anonymous)]

Yara willing joined forces with Dany, showed loyalty, and asked for something in return.
Sansa's just whining about feeding the army who was trying to ensure there was something left of the North for anyone to inherit. She's pissy about Dany showing up, not willingly making any concessions and not fighting alongside her.