[ SECRET POST #4496 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4496 ⌋

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[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/XSiLokf.jpg

[morieris]

I don't know what battle is happening tonight, but I kind of want to see it.

DirectTV usually gives HBO free to subscribers in the last weekend of April so I hope we have it tonight.

[(Anonymous)]

It's the Battle of Winterfell, the Big Battle between Humans and the White Walkers. We expect some hot shot characteres to die tonight.

[(Anonymous)]

Sansa is awesome.

[(Anonymous)]

She's awful and her latest cowering in the crypt while the true leaders fought just proves it.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't watch GoT but I think the Dany actress is adorable so I want her to win. Not something I tell people because I am not interested enough to listen to explanations of why I am wrong. (Or right!)

[(Anonymous)]

There's not enough Dany love. She burns rapists to death and is vilified where Sansa gets praised for being rescued and letting Ramsey's dogs eat him.

[(Anonymous)]

The only people left that I care about are Brienne, Sansa and Arya. Everyone else can die as far as I care.

[chamonix]

Serious question.

Why is she crazy?

[(Anonymous)]

She's been obsessed with conquering the seven Kingdoms and getting "back" the Iron Throne ever since - a country she left as a newborn because her father, dubbed "The Mad King", got killed and revolution was imminent. She was on the run with her older brother since then.

After her marriage / miscarriage / death of Khal Drogo she travelled across Essos, "conquering" /"saving" / "ruling" several slaving cities in preparation to conquering and ruling Westeros.

It's been interesting to see that the "madness" that runs in the Targaryen line is slowly getting more prominent as the seasons progress. (Source of that madness? probably the inbreeding - just looking at the family tree in "Fire and Blood" give you one hell of a headache).
She's getting more and more focused on One Goal, kind of "obsessed" and it starts to look like Viserys - his obsession got him killed as well - and her father.

[chamonix]

I could not disagree more.

Daenerys always had one goal - to find a HOME. At the start of GoT, this was as simple as the childhood place she remembered from Braavos. “All Daenerys wanted back was the big house with the red door, the lemon tree outside her window, the childhood she had never known.” It is only when she begins to carve out some sort of agency for herself - begins to see in herself some worth apart from the men who dominate her (at that point being Drogo and Viserys) that she starts to associate that with her birthright to the Iron Throne. But even so, that desire is inextricably linked to her longing for home and family and belonging. "But it was not the plains Dany saw then. It was King’s Landing and the great Red Keep that Aegon the Conqueror had built. It was Dragonstone where she had been born. In her mind’s eye they burned with a thousand lights, a fire blazing in every window. In her mind’s eye, all the doors were red."

As for her campaign in Slavers Bay, you might apply modern ideals about her affrontery to 'save' an entire populace, but the campaign is born of her experience AS a slave. She was sold to Drogo. She was his property. She was raped and brutalised. She puts her quest for the Iron Throne on HOLD because she refuses to abandon Mereen to anarchy and violence. If she were so obsessed, why does she put aside the object of her obsession in order to try her best to do the right thing for the people there?

(Note she also does this in season 7 when she abandons her quest again to fight Jon's war. She only realises the seriousness of it when she has already agreed to help him. Yet again, she puts her own dreams on hold to help her prospective future subjects).

I see no evidence of the Taragaryen "madness" becoming more prominent. If anything, she is even less impulsive and more thoughtful than her youthful forays into leadership. She listens carefully to her counsellors and values the input of her subjects. A lot of people cite her burning of the Tarlys as evidence of this impending madness, but seem curiously silent when reminded that Jon hung numerous loyal members of the Night's Watch - including a 10 year old boy - for disagreeing with him.

[(Anonymous)]

i liked jon well enough when he was "the underdog" but ever since he's "The Prince That Was Promised" he's become kinda boring to me. Gary Stu? i think is the term...?!

Speaking from a realistic "who is more fit as a ruler" POV, it's definitely Sansa, but Dany got two dragons, aka WMD, so she would probably win any actual physical fight. Which is :/

[(Anonymous)]

Same. I hate prophecies.

[(Anonymous)]

So you chose the coward over those willing to actually fight? Tyrion would make a better ruler than Sansa for sheer intellect but Dany and Jon and sadly Lyanna Mormont are actually willing to put their lives on the line while Sansa whines about feeding the army that's trying to defend the fucking city she wants to rule over having done nothing to earn the privilege except be born and be rescued at every turn before getting back there.

[chamonix]

I find it so exasperatingly tiresome that the show went the route of making them rivals. They are both incredibly capable women who have very similar histories of survival and claiming of personal agency. Honestly, South Queen Dany and North Queen Sansa is the best thing that could ever happen to Westeros and it's a pipe dream I have accepted will probably not happen.

[(Anonymous)]

ooohhh i like that idea.

we got tiny hope for that when sansa asked about the north last episode, but dany didn't seem too enthusiastic about that.
let's keep our fingers crossed, it might still happen

[chamonix]

I do think Dany would be open to considering the idea, especially since the last episode made such a show of her observing the incredibly strong bond these people have with each other (just look at her face when Brienne speaks up for Jaime, and Sansa's reaction to Theon pledging to fight for Winterfell. She is watching and taking it all in).

One of the things I like best about the connection between Sansa and Dany is these two quotes:

"Sansa had always heard that love was a surer route to the people’s loyalty than fear. If I am ever Queen, I’ll make them love me."

"Dany had no wish to reduce King's Landing to a blackened ruin full of unquiet ghosts. She had supped enough on tears. I want to make my kingdom beautiful, to fill it with fat men and pretty maids and laughing children. I want my people to smile when they see me ride by."

They are so similar.

[sparklywalls]

I really like this idea but am just so used to the show doing the opposite of what I'd like that I'm half expecting Sansa and Dany to die and Jon ends up on the throne. Sigh.

[chamonix]

If that happens I will be so pissed. Dany's arc subverts so many gendered traditional fantasy tropes that ending the series with "Jk! Turns out the simple boy who was a secret prince all along inherits the throne, and the arc of the disenfranchised powerless girl who claws her way to victory through sheer faith and strength of character means nothing". I mean I like Jon, but... yikes.

[sabotabby]

I would love this so much. I still like Sansa way better—is she the first candidate who has actually paid attention to logistics? Besides Tyrion when he was Hand—but I'd settle for them dividing the Seven Kingdoms between them.

Or they could just get married.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get why Dany is so resistant to giving up the North when she's already parted with some of her Seven Kingdoms already (Yara and the Iron Islands). Just let Sansa have the North already!

[philstar22]

I agree about Jon. And Sansa is great. But I love Dany and want her on the Iron Throne.

[(Anonymous)]

Dany/Jon, and I don't want Sansa anywhere near the throne.

[(Anonymous)]

I just can't get over how hard this latest season is trying to prove that it's feminist.

Sorry, but you're the same show that had seasons upon seasons of scenes of women being naked or getting raped to appeal to horny men, show. You can fuck off with this shit.

[(Anonymous)]

This!
I couldn't get into GOT because of the continuous scenes of naked and/or raped women. What is with the producers' rape fetish? And I really don't understand why people are fine with it? And don't give me the whole 'that's reality'. Yes, it is, to some level. Which is why I don't want to be reminded of everyday life in a fantasy series. Maybe that's just me.
I never saw GOT as in the least feminist and in fact the whole series to me reaks of misogyny and just creeps me out.
(I noped out after the famous 'sexposition' scene.)