[ SECRET POST #4500 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4500 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Neil Gaiman's Good Omens and American Gods]


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[Exist Archive: The Other Side of the Sky]


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[Letterkenny]


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[The Umbrella Academy]


















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

White male characters aren’t disproportionately hated by fandom. This sure is a take.

[(Anonymous)]

A character doesn't have to be hated by more than 50% of fans to be disproportionately hated. A character being disproportionately hated just means proportionately more people hate them than hate other characters with similar qualities/credentials.

There are a lot of elements that complicate this issue. For instance, what counts as fandom? If we're talking about the heavily female dominant fandom of fanfiction and tumblr and such, then I would say white, straight male characters often do get proportionally more hate than, say, WoCs (WSM characters also get more love, but those two things are not mutually exclusive). But OTOH, I suspect that in more male dominated fandom spaces, that is very much not the case.

Then there's also the issue of fandom popularity. Stories staring white, straight male leads are often the most popular; therefore they have a larger audience; therefore a smaller percentage of that audience still ends up equaling a bigger number of people who hate the white, straight, male lead. In such cases, the white, straight male lead isn't disproportionately hated, but for people who like him, it may feel that he is disproportionately hated, because compared to the non-white/straight/male characters they like, he gets way more hate.

[(Anonymous)]

Plus, only looking at whether or not white male characters are hated doesn't give you a basis to compare against - it's not like fandom only hates male characters

[(Anonymous)]

Plus, only looking at whether or not white male characters are hated doesn't give you a basis to compare against

This is true. Which characters get the largest volume of hate, and which characters get the most hate proportionately, are probably always going to be opinions based on each individual's experiences and perceptions. (I mean, theoretically a survey could be conducted. But it could hardly be comprehensive.)

[(Anonymous)]

Most male characters in canons fandom latch onto are straight and white. Female fans are more likely to like than hate straight white male characters. The wall of text you pulled out of your ass is a giant stinking pile of bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Wow this is the most bizarrely hostile and rude reaction, holy crap. i dont completely agree with ayrt, but their opinion was civil and well worded. You opinion was uncivil and didnt even try to engage with what they said. So unless you want points for being a jerk, idk what you were going for here.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks, anon. I'd want to chat with you about what parts you don't agree with (civilly, of course), but I think this thread is just kind of done at this point.

[(Anonymous)]

This. OP has to be a straight white male, they can't seriously be this deluded or clueless about how fandom actually is.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a lesbian, actually, but hey, whatever you need to tell yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

God, this. All of this.

[(Anonymous)]

WSM characters also get more love, but those two things are not mutually exclusive).

This is a really good point! I think a lot of people who disagree with OP are under the impression that the love a character gets cancels out the hate, but it doesn't. They're two separate things. A character can be loved more than they deserve and hated more than they deserve at the same time. And I think a lot of white male characters are both loved and hated more than they deserve.

Also, what you said about more popular characters feeling more hated because there are more people to potentially hate them is so true it hurts. Most times whenyou have a thousand people bashing something it's going to feel unfairly excessive, even if that's a thousand people out of fifty thousand. It's just a weird aspect of how criticism works imo.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, sorry, on my phone and fucked up the italics coding somehow.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah this was my thought too. If he wasn't white, the fandom would either ignore him or just hate him even more.

[(Anonymous)]

ikr?

has the op even seen how fandoms act when a female or non-white character dares to have human emotions? they get fucking crucified, and it's even worse if those characters are 'getting in the way' of the fandom-fave ship.

[(Anonymous)]

It must depend on what platform you use to participate in fandom. On Tumblr, there are hundreds of posts calling out fandoms for doing exactly what you said they do to female and POC characters, but I never see the fandoms in question on Tumblr actually doing that. If anyone dares, everyone else leaps to the character's defense with the same excuse ("Women and POC get treated so badly; you wouldn't have a problem with her if she was a white man! You ain't slick!") At the same time, white male characters showing emotions just have "ugh, man pain, lol."