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[ SECRET POST #4503 ]
⌈ Secret Post #4503 ⌋
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It a spoilerly way, what did you think of Endgame?
(Anonymous) 2019-05-05 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)So, what did you think?
NOW. Jeez.
(Anonymous) 2019-05-05 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)SPOILERS!
(Anonymous) 2019-05-05 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)It felt like character regression rather than development and I am disappointed.
Re: SPOILERS!
Argh.
Re: SPOILERS!
SPOILERS, LONG PSOT
-Tony’s arc and death. It was done very sweetly and so Tony. ‘I am Ironman’ His story to his family was great. Seeing Rescue is great, even if I don’t like Paltrow. I really did not think they were going to kill him.
-All the time travel shenanigans. The callback of one of the most iconic scenes ever, the elevator scene, ‘I can do this all day’, etc. All the other stuff like Howard Stark, ‘Hail Hydra (those agents are SO confused), Captain America ruining CA:TWS for Captain America, America’s Ass.
-The fact that Captain Marvel didn’t just come in and save the day. This really had to be about the OG Avengers.
-Doctor Strange coming in with all the wizards and newly alive people. Sam saying on your left was so great.
-A RAT SAVED THE UNIVERSE!
-Nebula being awesome and total bros with Rhodey.
-Professor Hulk was great, though he is only like 15% Hulk.
-Clint and Natasha fighting over who would sacrifice themselves was heartbreaking. Though...there was no way they were going to kill Clint. He had to reunite with his family.
-Speaking of, I would have loved to see Clint’s family react to seeing him again with that haircut and full new tryhard tattoo sleeve.
Things I am confused about
- How do they have the Tesserect in the 70s? It went down very close to Steve. How could they not find his ship that close to the stone?
Things I hated
- The end of the movie completely ignored Natasha's sacrifice except for a 20 second conversation between Clint and Wanda. They should have shown a funeral or memorial service for her in the montage. She got the Fili treatment.
-Please. Let Steve and Bucky have more than four sentences of conversation. PLEASE. Steve's main drive through the majority of all of his solo films is "Save Bucky" but they don't even have any conversations in either movie.
-All of Thor's character growth from Ragnarok was erased. He gets all this development realizing him that he truly is the king and defender of Asgard. Also, that Asgard is a people not a city. And they he just fucks off.
-The last ten minutes. [This sums up how I feel.](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/captain-americas-ending-ruins-avengers-endgame/1100-6466487/) But if you don't want to read it all, the two main things that bother me. We have two options.
1) Steve Rogers went to an alternate universe to live his life with Peggy. He changed the world for the better (stopped Hydra, saved Bucky, etc). However, that means there are two Steves in that universe. Do did Our Steve let their Steve stay in the ice until he was done being Peggy’s husband? Or did he get him back and called dibs on being Peggy’s husband? Or did Peggy get two Steves (good for her). It also brings up the question of how did Old Steve get back and why did he come back? This breaks the rules laid out in the movie.
2) The worse scenario is Steve stayed hidden in our universe. So his entire character is ruined. Where is the man who can't run away from a fight? Who 'can do this all day'? Who would never abandon his friends (I'm with you until the end of the line). CA:TWS was all about Steve moving on from the past. Peggy even tells him he has to because PEGGY did move on. All of this is thrown out (much like Thor's character growth) in favor of that ending.
Both scenarios erase Peggy's canon husband and kids (that she had because she healthily moved on). It erases her character growth from Agent Carter and reduced her back into a love interest. It also means Steve had a crush and made out with his niece.
The alternate universe part is more likely because he came back with a shield. Literally, the only reason I like his end is because they can bring him back if they need a ratings boost (they have a machine that can de-age you). I have also heard the alternate timeline has been confirmed by the Russos but I've not seen that.
Honestly, I am going to ignore that whole final bit. It makes more sense for Steve to come back because is what his whole arc has lead to. Treating the ending of this like I do The Dark Knight Rises.
Re: SPOILERS, LONG PSOT
(Anonymous) 2019-05-05 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)Re: SPOILERS, LONG PSOT
tbh, I was wondering why in the first Ant-Man, she did NOT look 70. Maybe she's just one of those folks with amazing genes.
Re: SPOILERS, LONG PSOT
Arrgh. I'm so annoyed at Steve's ending, SO annoyed. It's senseless, it erases his emotional growth, and FUCK YOU GUYS for basically ignoring Bucky for the last three movies and giving him and Steve practically no time together as friends *at all*.
Re: SPOILERS, LONG PSOT
(Anonymous) 2019-05-06 04:51 am (UTC)(link)Remember that scrappy little guy fighting so hard just to go to war, because the thought of working a support role at home was anathema to him.
And now... it's been years and years of war for Steve. And we see him after the timeskip, running a grief support group, because that kind of support has value to him now. And whatever his new life with Peggy, since he's in the past he's going to have to live quietly, without making waves - I can't imagine he wouldn't be working against Hydra, but he'll be doing it as a civilian does, as an artist might, influencing hearts and minds, and in supporting Peggy in her work.
Eh, each to their own.
But it is a resolution that has value to *me*.
Re: SPOILERS, LONG PSOT
(Anonymous) 2019-05-06 12:52 am (UTC)(link)Does Steve age in the MCU? Because Bucky kind of didn't. Sure he's been frozen and refrozen like a bag of peas but he's still quite young looking for someone who's supposed to have assassinated a crapload of people.
So like... will Steve age or will he marry Peggy and watch her grow old and die... again? While he's still stuck being young looking in a future where he has no friends because he fucked off to a different timeline?
??
Re: SPOILERS, LONG PSOT
(Anonymous) 2019-05-06 04:58 am (UTC)(link)Are you asking as someone who hasn't seen the movie? He appeared as an old man at the end.
Re: SPOILERS, LONG PSOT
(Anonymous) 2019-05-06 12:04 pm (UTC)(link)Thanks for letting me know.
Re: It a spoilerly way, what did you think of Endgame?
(Anonymous) 2019-05-05 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)-The time loop stuff was a mess. Time travel is never really convincing in fiction, but talk about butterfly effect nightmare. "Can't kill Thanos as a baby"? *proceeds to kill past-Thanos anyway*
-Can you *imagine* the socio-political ramifications of, say, 3.5 billion people who disappeared five years ago just turning up again? The infrastructure and resource-gathering no longer supports that!
-Not to mention the people that died as a result of the Snap without actually being dusted. Pilots get dusted, the whole crew dies even if they're still around. (do they just "reappear" in the spot they disappeared, btw? If so, sucks for those who got dusted mid-air, or in busy streets) Or people who committed suicide because their whole families died.
-Lol at Peter Parker just going back to high school. Hopefully all his friends were dusted too so everyone is still the same age. Would you really go right back to school anyway? Seriously, the authorities are undoubtedly flipping out at massive influx of people magically appearing.
-No funeral for Natasha? I don't really care about Iron Man so whatever, but boo to Natasha not getting any funerary recognition.
-Captain Marvel is understandably underused - since she is so OP. Still, kind of weird to write her off as "busy" in other planets when the Thanos thing can suddenly be undone like that. Liked seeing her kick Thanos's ass though
-On that note, found it kind of annoying that Scrotum-Face without any power stones can wipe the floor with Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America combined
-Liked the Thor scene with his mom. Personally thought that was the most touching scene.
-Honestly, too many characters in it, most not done justice. But then again, movie was already absurdly long. I guess it works as a final send-off, but unless your favs are Captain America and Iron Man, it's probably a little disappointing.
-Who was Hawkeye's Asian kid?
Re: It a spoilerly way, what did you think of Endgame?
Nat+Clint's scene.
Tony's whole arc.
The finale battle, and Sam's 'on your left' just gets me in that moment.
Carol was hot af every time she kicked-ass.
The ladies going to kick-ass.
Overall though, eh, it was alright I guess. I don't think it's the worst thing I've ever seen, it was enjoyable, but I also don't agree with the consensus that it's The Best Marvel movie Ever, because no.
Re: It a spoilerly way, what did you think of Endgame?
Things I loved:
- Tony's family
- Thor meeting his mom was very sweet
- That is America's ass
Things I hated:
- No Captain Marvel and Fury interaction (HOW DARE THEY) I also loved her in the movie. She was underutilized.
- "Here's your 20 seconds of Nat's funeral okay byeeeeeee"
I'm gonna expand on this because it made me both laugh and made me sad. The words of that female(?) staffer saying "don't take this away from Nat" thing talking about whether they should sacrifice her or Hawkeye... like I get it was supposed to be a big deal but it felt like a bleep in the movie. Aside from characters angsting for like a minute here and there after it happening, nothing. A part of me wishes they would revive her just to get an all-female avengers movie. Also once she was gone you really notice the huge sausage fest that where the Avengers. Wieners! Wieners everywhere!
That said it made me want an all-female avengers movie with the ladies from the movie.
And when Steve and Tony are talking at the beginning of the movie... Sweet Jesus, I wanted to giggle so bad because honestly I thought Pepper was going to be the first one to greet Tony but nope, it was Steve. And then when Tony goes "I lost the boy" like they where talking about losing their child at the mall... I don't ship it but it was like watching a pair of parents.