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[ SECRET POST #4507 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4507 ⌋

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Really? Why? So many people have used it in the comics.

Because, as a non-American who is Scandinavian, it comes across as a nauseating example of the usual American nationalism.

Well, that isn't the dumbest reason I could of thought of, but it is up there.

Uh huh. God, I'm so fucking bored of Americans. Done with this place, I am out.

Sorry that the fictional character based on a Germanic legend based on the Roman legend of Jupiter had his big hammer held by another fictional character.

Wow, you're wrong. The Interpretatio Romana equates non-Roman deities with Roman ones, thereby enabling the Romans to have some understanding of foreign gods. That's all. Thor isn't based on Jupiter. He was equated with him by the Romans when the encountered Germanic tribes who worshiped Donar. Thor was also equated to Hercules, by the way.

Next time, understand what you're talking about before you try to condescend to someone. It'll work out better for you.

as a non-american i agree that your reasoning is weird as hell

you do you but it's a weird thing to get hung up on when a character is turned into a wimpering fat joke

Um. I'm not American and I think your complaint is silly.

That makes sense to me

I just saw it and thought that literally any other character would have been more interesting there

+1
Ugh, and of course all the american's are offended.

No one is offended. It is just stupid. Are there Scandinavians out there that think Marvel Thor is some kind of Scandinavian idol??

not an american, babe

As an American, that's a really good point I haven't thought of. I naturally want to defend the move because I really like Steve Rogers as a character and TBH that was a really well executed moment as blockbuster/superhero movies go. However, yeah...I'm reminded that often American blockbusters get help from US government agencies or tax write offs/grants from the US Army. TBH a lot of Americans don't realize how much the US government's fingerprints are on media we consume specifically to make the US government look good.

Ehhh, Steve Rogers is more of a hero because of who he is as a person (loyal, stands up to bullies and shitty people, generally pretty pure of heart) than a symbol of America, because it's not WWII anymore. Tony is probably more accurate as a brash capitalist who on one hand (formerly) profited from war without thinking too hard about it, but on the other still has some ideals.

Haha, Hulk and Iron Man's backstories don't make America look good. Actually, Cap was a traumatized veteran introduced to the modern day by being lied to by the government. Captain Marvel should have been Missing In Action and not assumed dead either.

AYRT Honestly, I agree a lot with your comment, because I love that Steve Rogers is truly Captain America and not just a mouthpiece for the US government, but that's beside the point.

When looking at the POV of a casual moviegoer (especially for non-US viewers), that scene can easily be used as a moment to point out that Cap is the symbol of American greatness, even to the point that he can use a weapon that is meant for the god of thunder. I think we tend to miss out on points like this because as US citizens we don't watch a lot of content that isn't our own so we miss out on questionable intent.

I really agree with this comment, thank you for articulating it better than I ever could.

There are more Americans of Scandinavian descent than there are Scandinavians in the world.

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(Anonymous) - 2019-05-10 15:08 (UTC) - Expand

If the army was involved in the MCU, it wasn't obvious - compared to the Transformers movies, which got a ton of money from the government and basically fellated the armed forces in every movie.

Michael Bay movies consistently take that stuff up to an absurd maximum, yes, and I really hate that about his movies personally, but I don't think his movies should set the standard for what is and isn't normal here.

AYRT I can agree with that, especially with some of the earlier films. IIRC Avengers didn't get any tax write offs because the US Army didn't like some of the depictions. It's something I struggle to be OK with, especially hearing how the CIA, FBI, etc. are more helpful if the story paints them in a better light.

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(Anonymous) - 2019-05-10 02:48 (UTC) - Expand

Ah yes, truly an insidious display of the systemic oppression America inflicts on Scandinavia.

I don't think they're driving at that, so much as, yet again the Obvious American gets the glory of something non-American in culture. (Like. Why couldn't it be some other big player from somewhere else?)

Oh my god, you serious? Some American comic book author took (very broad) inspirations from Scandinavian mythology to create Thor, the character. He, along with all other Marvel characters, no matter the inspiration, is an American cultural icon by this point. All the lore related to Thor and Mjolnir in the MCU is purely made up by American minds, so there's nothing authentically non-American in culture about them to get offended about unless you were pitching a fit these many decades about Thor being a comic book character AT ALL.

From a fellow non-American, sincerely, get over it.

You do know that's not how the Mjolnir from myth works, right? The whole "only worthy people can wield it" is strictly from the comics.

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