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fandomsecrets2008-09-24 05:06 pm
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[ SECRET POST #628 ]
⌈ Secret Post #628 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Re: 53
What I don't understand is why anyone would suffer through a Sue-fic. The summary alone, more than half the time, is enough to make it obvious. If not, within a paragraph, the writing should tell. And then...You don't read it! MAGIC!
Re: 53
What I don't get is why
The most frustrating thing is knowing that this is going to happen to another fandom, and another, and another, and there's nothing that can be done about it.
Re: 53
I get that it's annoying to want to find good fanart/fic of something, and have to wade through a pit of voles, because just about every freaking fandom is like that. Heck, me, I don't care for slash. Do you have any idea what looking for het-fic is like in most fandoms? Watching a character I love being "mishandled?" Yo, big Pippin-fan me, but try finding anyone who doesn't think he's sweet-but-stupid, thanks to the movies. Try finding anyone who thinks Legolas is more of a spazzy jerk than a pretty-boy. It's tiresome, but not enough to prompt excessive grumping.
But what I don't get is why vitriol makes it any better. The same intellegent people who were in a fandom before are still in it now, and their intellegence is not somehow lessened by the sudden infection of new, occassionally stupid blood. If you're getting upset because a fictional character you love is being "mishandled" by a bunch of teenyboppers in a fanfic, well...y'know, I don't even know what to say to that, except that maybe you're just a person who like to be upset about things. (Which would explain a lot of this conversation, I think.)
People always complain about the New Thing bringing in New Kinds of fans. I'm sure there are old comic-fans who hate the generation that was inducted into Batman fandom via TAS and characterizes the cast that way. And there are Star Trek TOS fans who despise Next Generation fans, Next Generation fans who despise Voyager fans, etc, because people are paying attention to the shiny new thing of the time, and suddenly, no one seems to care about Chekhov, unless they're slashing him oh-so-sexily with Sulu or something. (Heck, the slash thing comes into play--Kirk/Spock>Chapel/Spock forever, apparently.) Or the Whovians who'd grown up on Doctor Who especially tended to think that everyone who came into the show from the new series was a piece of trash, especially if they dared to like certain characters or relationships from the new show. Even for the fans who wanted to learn more about what the show was, it became intimidating and overall and unwelcoming place to be--which largely contributed to most newfans never going into the show's roots. Heck, I do watch the old series now, and I still avoid the online fandom because it's just not a pleasant place to be, because someone always has a problem with anyone else.
The reason I'll take the "fangulls" over the haters is simple--at least what they're doing is an act of love. Or rather, shallow as it tends to be, and act of positive emotion. There's no malice in 'em. Stupidity in droves, but no hatred, no anger directed at fellow fans. They're having a wonderful time in spite of their stupidity. That, in it's own weird, do-not-exceed-reccommended dosage way, is what's so refreshing, compared to bitter elitism.
*And by "don't tolerate" I mean that I'm just gonna point out that it's silly.
Re: 53
Have you ever MET a fangull? HAVE YOU?
Seriously. Answer me this. Because a lot of the Batman fangulls I've met have been EXTREMELY against anyone who interferes with their OTP. I mean, it's the fangulls who drove me out of Doctor Who because I couldn't put up with all the Ten squee and Nine? UGH, the wars between who was the better companion, and such. At least as far as I could tell, that was fangulls.
Also, way to assume, there. Way to assume. The touch of ad hominem is particularly refreshing in it's subtlety.
Why am I wasting my time on you? If I'm acting like my opinion is holy, I don't even know what words describe YOUR opinion. I mean, Hell, normally if I make a throwaway comment, I just reply to anyone who tries to start a debate about it with a "Hey, I was just joking." I don't launch into a whole diatribe about how I'm right and they're wrong. And believe me, if all you'd said in reply to my initial comment was that it was just a joke, I'd have apologised and moved on. Now? Now I just think you wanted someone to try and argue with you, and now that you're sick of arguing because I'm not prostrating myself at your feet and begging forgiveness for the 'error' of my ways, it's all just a joke and I'm just too serious.
Re: 53
That was just a fantastic, head-spinning turn-around from the first two "Meh, okay" comments. Wooooow.
Did I say you were acting like your opinion was holy? I don't recall. I'm actually more than a little shocked at how much offense you're taking where none was offered. It's impressive, and not just a little scary. I'm picturing firebreathing.
So I don't respond to a comment the same way you would? I'm sorry, I just assumed that anyone who took an all caps comment serious was looking for a debate, and what the heck, I'm glad to oblige.
If I've got an ad hominem fallacy, good grief, you're running up the hyperbole with all this gear about me wanting you to "prostrate myself at your feet...begging forgiveness." What. In the world? That sudden, terrifying defensive streak just sounds like you're tired of the debate and trying to end it in a way that makes me seem horrible or something. The statement was just a joke from the beginning and that should've been obvious, my opinions stated afterwards were not. And by joke, I don't mean y'know, I meant the exact opposite. I meant I was just posting my opinion of the secret in a sarcastic way. You do that here--post opinions. Goodness gracious me, it looks like mine was wrong. I am so, so sorry that in a debate started with more than a hint of belligerence on both parts, you failed to change my opinion of something. Gosh, you're right, I'm a horrible person.