[ SECRET POST #4512 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4512 ⌋

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Comments

[meadowphoenix]

the "love" Thanos felt was movie-framed. I dislike the depiction for JUST that reason. Abusive love might as well not be love.

Stannis had other priorities at the end, but he didn't in the beginning. that's the difference.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS

I'm so flabbergasted why we're supposed to believe he loved his children when like half an hour earlier we'd seen him torturing one daughter to force the other to do what he wanted. Wow so loving.

[(Anonymous)]

He loved Gamora, not Nebula. Nebula had already tried to kill him.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt - right, because Gamora definitely didn't try and shoot him, or stab him, or... oh wait

[(Anonymous)]

Because she was forced to and cried when she thought he was dead.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - You DO understand how abusive parenting works, don't you?

(And she wasn't forced to kill him wtf are you on)

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt - forced to... how? oh, right, because otherwise he was going to commit intergalactic genocide? that sort of 'forced'?
as opposed to nebula, who just wanted to kill him because he was an abusive monster who'd made her life an endless parade of agony.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh okay so he only horrifically abused SOME of his children. My mistake.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you suggesting he only treated her badly because she tried to kill him, when it was shown before that he used to mutilate her whenever she lost to Gamora, or referred to Gamora as his favorite daughter in front of her?

[(Anonymous)]

Thanos's "love" for Gamora was a cruel love that gave nothing and demanded everything. What Thanos felt for Gamora was really only love insofar as Thanos himself believed it to be love.

Which, on the one hand, I'm very much of the mind that he can take his "love" and shove it up his ass. But on the other hand, I think Thanos's belief that he loves Gamora is interesting, because the way that toxic individuals "love" is an issue that a lot of people deal with in real life. Plenty of people declare they love their children, believe they love their children, feel something for their children which they identify as love, and yet treat their children in very unloving ways. And the children are left to attempt to make sense of that.

As a society, I don't think we've ever really come to any sort of consensus on whether love is determined by the person who loves or by the recipient of that love. Theoretically, if I believe I love somebody, but they don't feel loved by me, does that mean I don't love them? I'd say it means that my love has no value outside of whatever value it has to me - but is that enough to legitimize it?

In Thanos's case, it makes complete sense that he doesn't need Gamora to feel loved by him in order to believe his love is legitimate in and of itself, because he's a megalomaniac. Even though I think he's full of shit, and maybe the soul stone should have as well.

[meadowphoenix]

right I can definitely see it as the soul stone validating a subjective perspective from Thanos, but superhero movies avoid the subjective so much that it feels irresponsible.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Love and abuse can coexist. Denying that fact doesn't help abuse victims and makes it easier for abusers to be in denial.

[meadowphoenix]

emphasizing the fact makes it easier for abusers to convince their victims that they mean well and that the harm they inflict should be endured.

so since neither is helping abuse victims, I would rather media emphasize the one that doesn't allow harmful rationalizations, especially since denial w/r/t abusers is rarely resting on one idea.

[(Anonymous)]

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[(Anonymous)]

True, but when the writers/directors are sitting there and wanking on about poor ol' Thanos doesn't he have such a hard life, it's pretty hard to imagine that's the sort of subtle, nuanced angle they're going for.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - the fact that so many people came out of that movie saying "wow Thanos really loved Gamora, so sad" instead of "wow his abuse was even more fucked up than I thought" is absolutely a failure in responsible storytelling, imo

Also that we can spend two movies hearing two women say that their father was an absolute monster, but then one movie has the father say "oh but I didn't see it that way" and suddenly it's a Both Sides issue