[ SECRET POST #4512 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4512 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

This may shock you....but those are likely different people. Mostly because the people analyzing the actions of Thanos and Stannis are not also analyzing the actions of someone from the less famous Disney movies.

Also, most people consider both of those men to be monsters?

[(Anonymous)]

Joke's on you, I don't think either of those dudes loved their daughters either. (Book!Stannis did, though).

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Chris

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Phil

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know about Thanos and Gothel, but Stannis clearly loved his daughter. Unfortunately, he loved winning the war (or Melisandre) more.

[(Anonymous)]

Show!Stannis was an absolute joke. His whole argument was that he was the rightful heir by blood, and Shireen was his only heir. In the books, he gave specific orders to his men that if anything happened to him, she was to be protected at all costs for that exact reason. Without his heir, his claim to the throne meant absolutely nothing.

[(Anonymous)]

Kinda OT, but I'd actually like to see an AU version of Rapunzel with a Gothel that's not blatant evil to start out with

Maybe a story where there's a witch who's terrified of death and dying who somehow finds a way to be young and beautiful and live forever, except that enchantment is tied to another living person. One who she starts off really trying to do her best to look after and care for. Except the daughter grows up and tries to have a life on her own and turns out to be a kind of reckless naive kind of child who tends to get herself hurt and the witch, while she does care for the daughter, gets slowly more paranoid about dying and mortality, and gets slowly crazier and more controlling because she's so scared for her own life while still fighting herself because she does care about the daughter for real, and things spiral into creepy psych horror mode

Except I'd like the side of it to be portrayed where - while the witch is abusive and it's explicitly depicted as abuse, and what she feels is bad - being afraid to die is portrayed as also a totally reasonable emotion to feel. In a "If your life were at stake, how far would you go?" kind of way. She's aware she's becoming a horrible person who probably doesn't deserve to live, but she also really doesn't want to shrivel up and lose her mental facilities and physical autonomy and all those body horror things that come with advanced old age. As a viewer you don't have to like it, or like her, but you understand where she's coming from, rather than being able to dismiss it as "well she's a superficial asshole abuser who just wants to stay pretty"

Relevant to the secret though, I'd like a version of Rapunzel where all the "you wouldn't leave your mother, would you?" comes from a place of terror rather than selfish greed, where genuine arguments over whether Gothel really loved Rapunzel could be had, vs. obvious cackling evil, you know

[quirkytizzy]

Someone with more talent than me write this, please.

[(Anonymous)]

This sounds like a really cool idea, in would really love to play around with it. If I ever got around to making some kind of work with this -- where could I find you?/post/say hey some anon on a site I frequent had this interesting idea I wanted to toy with lol

[(Anonymous)]

There is no objective doubt that Thanos loved her. The anguish that Mantis felt when she touched him, the ‘what did it cost’ scene, etc.

Gothel had none of that.

[(Anonymous)]

"No. This isn't love."

[nightscale]

I can't remember what show!Stannis did to his daughter but both Thanos and Gothel were absolutely horrible parents who only 'loved' their children for what they could do for them.

So I supposed you could argue that they loved them, but certainly not in the way that was at all healthy or how a parent should.

[(Anonymous)]

Had her burned at the stake as a ritual sacrifice

No-one liked it. Generally agreed to be terrible writing.

[(Anonymous)]

Gothel could have been such a legendary villain if she... hadn't actually been a straight-up villain. I've heard so women identifying with having a similar kind of mother but Disney, for whatever reason, wouldn't allow Gothel to be human and thus her 'evil' felt forced. The most sinister kind of evil comes from a place of love.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

*so many (correction)

[(Anonymous)]

If Gothel wasn't human, why do so many women identify with having a mother like her?

There be crazy fucking people in this world who have zero business raising children. Some of the shit they do and the shit they say would not come from the actions or out of the mouths of anybody sane, but humans are still pretty capable of such things.

[(Anonymous)]

Typically women are judged more harshly when it comes to parenting then men. I am not defending any of them but it's true. A man who leaves his child can still be seen as good father but a woman who leaves her child is usually seen as a monster.

[(Anonymous)]

There's more content dedicated to sons searching for or coming to terms with their wayward fathers than daughters for their mothers too. There's not much media that presents mothers in a neutral light; it's either 'moms are great' or 'moms are terrible', rarely ever 'moms are human with lives outside of their kids'. Fathers are extended that benefit far more often both in fiction and reality.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't accept they all "loved" their children. In Stannis' case, I do think what he felt for his daughter was a little more pure than what Mother Gothel or Thanos felt for their "daughters." Not necessarily because of the blood link, but Stannis generally wasn't abusive to Shireen and he wasn't planning on sacrificing her until apparently the Lord of Light calls for it.

Thanos seemed to favor Gamora and clearly felt a loss, though he still killed her family and eventually her. Was it love? Idk, but it was kind of twisted too.

Mother Gothel was only interested in her magic flower. If she could have scalped Rapunzel as a baby and gotten away with it, she would have.

[meadowphoenix]

the "love" Thanos felt was movie-framed. I dislike the depiction for JUST that reason. Abusive love might as well not be love.

Stannis had other priorities at the end, but he didn't in the beginning. that's the difference.

[(Anonymous)]

Even in the picture you have there, she's hugging her hair, not her. I don't really know who th other two are, but Gothel is not meant to love Rapunzel, no matter how much you want her too.

[(Anonymous)]

♪ Father knows best, listen to your father, half the universe must die ♪
♪ Father knows best, now I have to kill you, but at least I'm gonna cry ♪

[(Anonymous)]

I always thought Gothel loved - or at least felt affection - for Rapunzel.

The ability to be that poisonous to someone you feel affection for is one of the things about human nature that scares me.

Donna Murphy on Mother Gothel

[(Anonymous)]

"I also think there is this thread of a kind of love that she does have for Rapunzel. It’s not what she set out. But she does raise this child and it’s the most intimate and certainly the most sustained relationship I think the woman has had in her 387 years or however old she might be. So as deep as the need is to get something for herself, she can’t help but fall in love with her. She’s spirited, creative, and charming and I think that stirs something in her that is confusing for Gothel. And Gothel has to keep reminding herself of what is most important, which is taking care of herself. But I think there is a genuine kind of humanity. It’s by degree, it’s not unconditional love but there is a love that develops."