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⌈ Secret Post #4515 ⌋

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[The Underworld movies]

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I used to be all against it and than I grew up, started paying my own bills and realised that 98% of other people get at least some extra money from their extracurricular activities, and fuck it, let's fandom people earn some cash too. They also have to eat. And it's not like everything is closing down; it's mostly people asking to support them if somebody can afford to. Nothing wrong with that.

98% of other people get at least some extra money from their extracurricular activities
What? I have to pay to join a softball and a kickball league, my sister has to pay to bowl and play rugby. I pay for the yarn and floss when I crochet or do cross-stitch, plus pay for the patterns. Granted, I get to eat it, but I pay for the food when I try new recipes for a cooking hobby. I pay for books and games for those hobbies. While I don't pay for courts, as I use public ones at the parks, I do (occasionally) have to buy balls and (even more infrequently) a racket to play tennis. At best my hobbies are free (library books, doing some things online), not making money. How are you getting that 98% of hobbies make money, not cost money?

SA

I put it too vaguely - most people who produce CONTENT for others get some extra money from that, because they do provide that content for others to enjoy. We're talking about content-production not /every/ hobby.

I mean, I know many, many people who read far more fic than any published books? They get /a lot/ of pleasure and free content from people. Is it really so bad for the content creator to ask for some tip in return if any of their readers feels like giving it...?

You don't ask people for cash when you practice your guitar playing inside your room or with your close circle of friends, but if you go out to busk for a couple of hours, there's noting unexpected or wrong about you putting out a hat for tips, because you are providing entertainment to whoever wants to listen and you are inviting others to repay you for that entertainment if they liked it...?

AYRT

You're not SA. I would use SA if I replied to my own comment. I'm guessing you are AIRT?

And again, not 98%. I have no idea where you are getting that number from. I've produced content for fandom since around 2000. My friends have done the same and have also produced original content. None of us would think to be paid for it. And some of my other hobbies produce content as well. I can't count the number of cross-stitch and crochet projects I've given away. And yes, some people sell things on Etsy, but i wouldnt say 98%. Or, honestly, even a vast majority.

there's noting unexpected or wrong about you putting out a hat for tips, because you are providing entertainment to whoever wants to listen and you are inviting others to repay you for that entertainment if they liked it...?
As I said in a different comment, I have no issues with people saying "if you like this, consider tossing something my way". What I have issue with is the amount of people monetizing their content at the start. If they are producing original works, more power to them, but I don't like when people piggyback off someone else's content for profit. As someone else said in this thrwad, there are independent creators who are asking people to stop, as it hurts them. I'm less inclined to care for someone profiting off a big corporation like Disney, but it sets a bad precedent in my mind. Both in terms of people not caring about the difference in profiting off someone like Disney or a smaller author/creator, and in terms of creators seeing it more and going after fans and shutting things down.

There's internet outside fandom - people with instagrams, blogs, youtube channels, podcasts, even popular twitter or facebook accounts - for all of them it is perfectly natural to try to monetise their popularity somehow, it's only "old" fandom spaces that are living under old rules (I mean, even with fic - look at wattpad - they explicitly state that they want to help you publish your strange boyband!AUs; times have changed). I have no time to list here all the forms of content-making that people have turned into profitable on-line ventures which do use other people's content and would not exist without it, but there's a lot of them and I think it's worth taking a look at one's opinions and figuring why we believe it's perfectly okay for e.g. the honest trailers to make money on recutting someone else's footage to create something of their own and it is not okay for fans to make fanvids from the same footage and get some money from that.

/as for 98% - it's obviously a hyperbole, and we are obviously talking about different things - with me considering the entire on-line environment and you the narrow fandom space in which we have both spent the last two decades or so and which does have the tendency to limit itself. In my opinion, needlessly so, because relations between fans and IP holders have changed a lot.

/that's the end of this conversation for me, because I'm leaving for a trip and I will not be able to answer anything for a week or so.

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