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⌈ Secret Post #4522 ⌋

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[The Matrix]

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[Mr Meaty]

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[Roxanne from A Goofy Movie]

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05. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]

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[Arya/Gendry]

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08. [SPOILERS for Avengers Endgame]

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10. [SPOILERS for Dawson's Creek]

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11. [WARNING for abuse, etc.]

[ProJared]

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Yes, words have meanings. And meanings can change. Also, in this case, we're not just talking about words, we're talking about concepts. And our understanding of those concepts have developed. Just because that definition is newer doesn't make it wrong. Our understanding of what discrimination is has developed. We now understand the role institutions and power play and that those are the root of what it actually is. Unless you are suggesting we should just go back to the pre-1970s understanding of racism and sexism and pretend that all progress on the subjects haven't happened? I hope that's not what you are suggesting.

I am suggesting that maybe you understand that words can have MULTIPLE meanings. Even sociologists and psychologists who study this shit know that there is a difference between INDIVIDUAL racism and INSTITUTIONAL racism. They are both racism just different levels.

So, an individual black person can be racist against white people. That is individual racism.

However, the government (of the US at the current time) cannot be racist against white people because there is not a contingent of non-white people in power. That is institutional racism.

I just don't think what you are talking about as individual racism is racism. I think it is prejudice, but I don't think it is racism. Obviously we aren't going to agree on this. I'm done at this point. We're just arguing in circles.

True, because I can't imagine how anyone can think hating someone because of their race isn't racism. ◔̯◔ It is literally in the name.

Why do you think it's useful to draw the distinction between racism and prejudice when one already exists with individual racism and institutional racism?

Because I don't think that's the distinction that exists. I think the distinction that exists is between prejudice and discrimination and that racism is a type of discrimination. Because I don't think "individual racism" is a useful concept because what we need to discuss and deal with in terms of racism is the institutions, systems, and cultural power structures. Either an individual person will change their mind or they won't. But it is the power structures that give racism (and sexism) their power and allow them to endure. That's where the real problem is, and by using the term "racism" to describe a black person saying they hate white people (when a black person probably has lots of legitimate reasons to hate white people given actual racism) weakens the term. Focusing on what you call "individual racism" allows people to think that's the problem and to ignore the power structures. So I think making that distinction actively hurts the fight against real racism.

Would black people be "racist" against white people if white people weren't racist against black people and idk, historically treating them like animals and possessions first? Just something for you to think about.

Cool motive, still racism.

Spoken like a white male who never experienced any real hardship in his life.

*My* family didn't own slaves!! Why am I being held responsible for something *I* had nothing to do with?!

^this is what you sound like right now

Are you actually implying that "People should not be held accountable for things they didn't do" is an unreasonable position?

Hey, I think North Korea is hiring more people to punish the grandchildren of political criminals!

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