[ SECRET POST #4525 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4525 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, I think that specific example is a product of how the Civil War movie was set up, in that the sides were pretty explicitly Tony vs Steve-on-behalf-of-Bucky. The movie itself set the ship up in opposition to the character, more so than it being a general shippers vs the world thing. You can kinda see that because it doesn't really work in reverse. If I say I like Tony and don't like Steve, it's not as likely people are going to accuse me of being, what, a rabid Tony/Rhodey fan? Tony doesn't really have a balancing ship on his side. (I have seen Tony/Stephen Strange used as a balancing ship after the fact, as in Steve has Bucky so Tony acquires Strange, but it wasn't a thing when the movie came out I don't think). So I think that one is kinda specific to the set-up of the movies.

Which is not to say that it's not a thing that paranoid shipping and characters being primarily associated with single ships can lead to bashing and paranoia. I have seen that in other fandoms. I just think this isn't necessarily a pure example.

[philstar22]

That's true about Civil War, but how does that explain Endgame? People have just decided that anyone who thought Tony took over the story or was unhappy with the movie is just a bitter Stucky fan even though there are lots of reasons people could be unhappy about it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say that just snowballed from bitterness from Civil War. Sides that were assigned from the older movie just stuck into the newer one, and a bunch of people just kept fighting the old fight?

[(Anonymous)]

Probably because the majority of the vocal complainers are, in fact, bitter Stucky fans.

[philstar22]

You keep saying this, except in the previous thread a number of vocal Endgame haters were not Stucky shippers.

[(Anonymous)]

i don't even get why they'd be so bitter after this one though, CW did a damn good job of slamming that ship on the head as it was and the MCU hadn't touched that r-ship since. so why outrage now?

also echoing philstar that there are plenty of ppl who didn't really like endgame who aren't bitter stuckys, myself being one of them. don't ship it, still thought the movie was shit.

[(Anonymous)]

Because this is one of the anons that can't believe anyone could dislike Tony unless they ship Stucky. Nope, really, I just don't like Tony.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never thought about IronStrange ship as a balancing ship. Many fics are kinda Steve is an ex lover/friend and nowm after CW, Tony is with Stephen, so it makes sense.

[(Anonymous)]

"Tony doesn't really have a balancing ship on his side."

So the person he married and had a child with is, what, chopped liver?

Rabid slash fans, god damn you all, I don't think you even realise what you're like.

[(Anonymous)]

I meant in terms of fandom popularity. Tony/Pepper is the canon ship, but I doubt too many people in fandom are going to hate Steve on Pepper's behalf. Possibly because the ship is canon and therefore doesn't need to be fought for. It's already there.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, right. Fair enough then.

[(Anonymous)]

troll harder

[ninety6tears]

Tony isn't picketing Steve and Bucky's wedding in Civil War, he's having an ethical disagreement with Steve that is about a lot more than his friend up until he finds out Bucky killed his parents and feels he can no longer trust Steve. He's not against Steve being protective of a friend (whether that friend is Bucky or himself!), it's just more complicated than that.

Then again, people who think the point of Civil War is for the viewer to take hard sides without considering any nuance frustrated me too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

More understandably, people could just resent Tony as a character because he gets a lot of screen time that Bucky and Steve could have gotten.

[(Anonymous)]

if they wanted people to actually see moral nuance in CW, they shouldn't have made all the political parts so fucking dumb

"both sides have a point" kind of falls apart when both side's "points" are nonsense, so then you just go with who you think is being less of an asshole

OTOH if you want people to take arch nonsense seriously, you can't dress it up in grounded real world practicalities

Either have the UN in it and have some vague approximation of possible logical implementation, or find a different front for the opposing philosophies you want to give them, that has less stuff you can be obviously hideously wrong about

also maybe don't have the supposedly intelligent owner of a megacorporation be the one arguing for signing a contract without reading it and hoping to change the hard parts later

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[ninety6tears]

Cool.

[(Anonymous)]

The crossed-out part is why I didn't even bother going to see CW, or any of the films that followed. If you're not even going to TRY, why should I bother?