[ SECRET POST #4544 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4544 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

This is sort of difficult to make sense of? Cheating is bad, but doesn't make you a bad person, but is a reflection of personal character?

[(Anonymous)]

I think what anon was trying to say is cheating is a personal problem and doesn't make his feminism less true or ideologically sound

Though I'd argue that his being willing to lie about something so big for that long for personal gain (or aversion to personal loss) kind of offsets how much he values, and how much an audience can believe in anything else he does, including his feminism

[(Anonymous)]

If he was preying upon young actresses on his show(s), that's a power imbalance that doesn't speak well of his "feminism".

[philstar22]

Yup. Still like his shows, but he's a creep. And stuff we've found out about him make me see some of the feminist things he said in an earlier light. Like maybe he was trying to earn brownie points with women while trying to hide how he took advantage of some women.

[(Anonymous)]

Kinda reminds me of Hugo Schwyzer, the leading feminist guy academic who was a regular columnist and talking head on the subject, until he got called out for sleeping with both research participants and students.

[(Anonymous)]

LMFAO

[(Anonymous)]

The way he treats actresses is not feminist.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not the cheating that bothers me; that's between him and his ex-wife.

It's the way he emotionally abused her during their marriage, the way he treated Charisma Carpenter and her character on Angel when she revealed she was pregnant, and the numerous affairs (physical and emotional) he had with actresses on his shows.

All of this shit is documented if you want to look it up. He's a fucking monster, and to treat it as a ~character flaw~ is a disservice to his ex-wife and all the other women he's harmed.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd be annoyed too if I'd had a season of a show already written up then a major cast member came up and told me they got pregnant. Just abort it and get pregnant again later. No biggie.

[philstar22]

Are you serious? It is entirely her choice whether or not she wants to support. She chose not to, and there is nothing wrong with that choice. He doesn't get a say and he doesn't get to be mad at her for choosing to have a child. That makes him a sexist asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

How very edgy.
I wonder if any other TV show in the existence of TV shows has needed to write in or conceal a pregnancy...hmm...

[(Anonymous)]

Okay but are you a time-traveling '50s MGM exec

[(Anonymous)]

Nowadays it has be written in to show how feminist the show runner is, no matter how stupid or impossible it is for that character to be pregnant or how it screws up the show. Birth control people. There's plenty of actors who've managed to work their personal lives around their career and not had it impact on a show beyond standing behind things and/or missing a couple of episodes at start or end of a hiatus.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you fucking kidding me? Gal Gadot was like six months pregnant all through filming Wonder Woman and they CGIed all that out. We have the technology, but not the will to accommodate an incredibly common situation.

[(Anonymous)]

And on top of that, it's not like his sexism never affected his work either. He's responsible for some great female characters, but at the same time, he could kind of suck. Remember his Wonder Woman script?

Artistically, I think of Whedon as similar to Shyamalan: It was fresh at first but then you start to notice the formula. For Whedon, it so happens that part of the formula is writing women with straight man goggles.

[philstar22]

I don't know. His formula mostly works for me when it is his own creations. I still really love Buffy, and I like his other tv shows too. It is when he tries to force his formula onto characters that aren't his (Marvel) that it stops working.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually really liked his writing on Astonishing X-Men, which made his handling of the Avengers films even more strange.

I still cringe at the Loki/Natasha and Natasha/Bruce interactions.

Maybe he just can't write Nat.

[(Anonymous)]

he can write her better than the russos can

[(Anonymous)]

I genuinely thought that Wonder Woman was tampered with or a joke. But no.

[(Anonymous)]

Wonder Woman script. I guess I got too busy remembering the weird shit and forgot to include the relevant word.

[(Anonymous)]

His take on feminism might be dated, but I don't get the swing to the complete other end and labeling him as sexist. That said, cheating's another matter entirely. Doesn't affect his work to me, but I hate cheaters and that's about that.

[(Anonymous)]

Same

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty sure that kind of cheating makes you a bad person. To your wife at the very least, and also to anyone you may have put in the uncomfortable role of keeping your secrets. It might not make you a bad person to everyone you meet. You might do great things while being a bad person on that level, you might even be a good personal politically but a bad person personally. But you're definitely, by some definition, a bad person when you do that to someone who loved and trusted you.

I like a lot of Joss' earlier work as well even though I see flaws in some things that I didn't see on first viewing, and I think he has his talents, but... it's okay to say 'I like these pieces of media, and I like these messages, even though the creator is flawed in walking the talk and even though he's done bad things and hurt people close to him'. You have to be able to be a bit critical sometimes but it doesn't mean you can't still get the good out of things or like them.