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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-06-16 03:28 pm

[ SECRET POST #4545 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4545 ⌋

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[personal profile] soldatsasha 2019-06-16 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Half the protagonists are absolutely horrible, and the other half are morally grey at best, but bc they're framed as the protagonists we cheer them on anyway. Also, the way characters are framed changes over time. Jaime and Theon slide from being Big Bads to heroes. Characters like Arya and Sandor are heroes for being ruthless killers. Other characters like Cersei are framed as evil for killing people, even when the people they kill are equally horrible.

With Dany, I think the change in framing was probably just too abrupt, and it was telegraphed poorly in earlier seasons. There's a huge focus early on in the story on her victimhood, and later on when she's taking over Slaver's Bay they show her being a merciful ruler but also a vengeful and incompetent one. However, as the writing quality starts to nosedive in Seasons 5+6, a lot of the ambiguity of her character (and everyone else's) is lost. Whereas before we got lots of scenes of her making mistakes, dealing with consequences, feeling guilty, listening to or ignoring advice, etc. in later seasons we just get some shots of Dany looking sad and pretty and/or cool in black spiky leather, and various people falling over themselves about how great she is.

This same problem applies for other characters, too, but most of them have finished their developmental arcs by that point in the story so it's not as noticeable or jarring.

But you add all that up and it seems like the show is presenting her as a leader who made a lot of mistakes but is maybe getting better, bc she's framed as being so cool and awesome, rather than a shitty leader in the process of being consumed by her lust for power who keeps escalating the horrible shit she does.

And then all of a sudden you switch from framing her as the Big Good to the Big Bad in a rushed, poorly written and executed way, and you get a lot of confused viewers and pissed off stans.

(Anonymous) 2019-06-17 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
There's been discussion since Lena Headey spoke about Cersei's miscarriage that never made it to screen, that the whole plot got switched for the final season. That the planned Dany/Jon rule with their heir vs mad!Cersei had to go to "subvert expectations" and put goddamn Bran on the throne despite him refusing the idea of ruling in the North.