[ SECRET POST #4550 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4550 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Asia Argento, Rose McGowan]


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03.
[Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper]


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[Kino no Tabi/Kino's Journey]


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[Katherine Schwarzenegger/Chris Pratt]


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06. [SPOILERS for Lucifer season 4]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of rape/sexual assault]
























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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

SA: I mean beyond the rapey, bits I checked out when Rumple was revealed to be la Bete AND Peter Pan's long-lost father, which doesn't make any fucking sense other than Disney has versions of all three, and assumed that giving Carlyle scenery to chew would make it work.

[(Anonymous)]

Comment but not secret OP—Rumple was Peter Pan’s son, not his father. I forget who, but someone posted a thing about how much more sense it would’ve made if Pan were Hook’s father instead, and that the original plan was to have Hook die killing him, before an ABC exec fell in lust with Hook’s actor and basically ordered that he be given a bigger role.

I dunno about that, but I remember one of the writers said they’d cut a scene where Rumple’s dad was beaten to death in front of young Rumple for trying to skip town on his debts, which would’ve made so much more sense.

[luxshine]

Rumple being the Beast made sense in Season 1... up until the writers decided that he had to be the villain because they found Regina's redemption arc more interesting than him learning to change for Belle and made him do the exact same mistakes season after season.

[philstar22]

Yup. At least they stuck to the redemption arc with Regina. Rumple went back and forth across that line so many times I lost count and lost all sympathy for him and any interest I might have had in the character.

[luxshine]

I admit I held out hope for Rumple for waaay too long. Every time I said "This is it, I will not fall for yet another cycle of he tries to redeem himself for Belle and yet he lies to her, I will stop shipping them, someone get Belle a healthy relationship" they pulled out the "they dance to Tale as old as time" and I was once again wishing that THIS time, the redemption arc stuck. I had to quit the show cold turkey to stop that nonsense. (Around when Emma became the Dark One nd thankfully Netflix LATM got that season later than the others so I could actually quit)

[(Anonymous)]

Same. I got so sick of seeing him do awful things while the narrative wanted us to forgive him for whatever "true love" reason

[(Anonymous)]

OP of the comment but not the secret here—I gave up on the show about 3/4 of the way through season 3, because between Neal’s death, Hook’s prominence, and Zelena retreading the Regina/Graham storyline with Rumple as her victim, I was dreading each new episode. I’m pretty sure giving up on canon when I did is the reason I never got more than exasperated with Rumple and still liked him and Belle together.

I never cared much about Graham or Robin and cringed every time Hook was onscreen, but it took me a long time (and a lot of headcanon about her going to therapy and feeling guilt for her actions, something she canonically said she doesn’t feel,) to warm to Regina, mostly because the show lumped “raping and killing a guy” into “generic evil queen stuff that’s in the past, see, she’s better now!”

But then Zelena locked Rumple under her house while armed with, basically, a Rumple remote control and sexually abused him, killed Marian, raped Robin while disguised as Marian, and then was “redeemed” because she wanted Robin’s baby to love her. And unlike Regina, she never acknowledged that she’d done anything wrong.

I’d stopped watching by the time the Robin thing happened, but that’s when I first thought “someone in the writer’s room has a fetish.” I’m honestly surprised they didn’t manage to squeeze a “disguised rapist” mention into the King Arthur storyline, since that’s kind of canon, but then, that was a man raping a woman, and I don’t think that’s whoever was responsible’s kink.

And then in season 7, an AU version of Hook got raped by a hot evil sorceress and was redeemed by his love for his daughter. Which—this was unattached, villainous, dtf, “I’ve had many men’s wives” Hook. Evil sorceress could’ve said “hey wanna fuck?” and he would’ve said “when do I not?” But no, that wouldn’t have been as hot. Barf.

[philstar22]

I was really into Regina way back when I was into the show. And I majorly shipped Regina/Robin. So I gave up the show when they killed off Robin and let Hook live. But I rewatched a few years ago and actually noticed the rape storyline with Regina this time and realized that the redemption arc with her never really worked. Sure she was sorry, but she never actually made much amends. Certainly not for what she did to Graham.

[(Anonymous)]

But that doesn't make any sense because the secondary message of Beauty and the Beast after "fuck the man your parents picked for you, even if he's cursed with ugliness" is "don't fuck with faerie unless you're very good at it." Casting TV Rumple as both the magical trickster (literary Rumplestilskin) and the cursed object of pity (literary Bete) is misunderstanding both stories. Tying that to the very Edwardian Peter Pan makes me question whether anyone in the writer's room had bothered to read any non-Disney sources.

What you end up with is something that isn't even fanfic of popular fairy tales, it's fanfic of DisneyWORLD, where all of that is smashed together for a theme park.

[luxshine]

Tying Rumple story to Peter Pan was stupid, absolutely, as stupid as making the Wicked Witch of the West the long lost sister of the Evil Queen and the other daughter of the Queen of Hearts, absolutely (Actually, the whole Royals family tree is a hopeless mess). However, I think that at least at during the first season, the way the "Dark One" curse worked in the show made it interesting to make Rumple both a trickster -who only wanted his son back- and the Beast- cursed object of Pity. Yes, it does misunderstands mostly Rumplestilskin's story, but by that point they had ALSO made the Straw-weaver girl into an unrepentant villain who would later become the Queen of Hearts, so I forgave them little bit (And as Disney had never adapted Rumple's tale, and it was diametrically different from their Beast, well, it sort of worked as something different). Of course, then came season 3, and the absolute mess that was including Peter Pan, and then Season 4, aka. we want that Frozen moment and the thing got really stupid.