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⌈ Secret Post #4565 ⌋

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(In the UK and *not* in the US)

I think classism is a longer running and bigger problem than racism in this country. I also think that the class divide is what drives racism here. We have lots of very, *very* poor areas that have been ignored by the government for decades. People without hope or a future look for someone to blame and are an easy target for people like Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson.

Bonus unpopular opinion: That kind of poverty driven prejudice is pan-humanity and not just a 'white' thing. It's just happening in a majority white country on this occasion.

I think the problem with this argument is that it ignores the long history of anti-immigration and racist politics in the UK (not to mention the broad question of the legacy of empire which I think absolutely has to be addressed). That's not to say that classism isn't also a massively significant issue. And I think it's probably true that economic factors and the failures of the political mainstream have exacerbated the problem. But they didn't cause it. Peter Griffiths and Enoch Powell were already Conservative politicians in the 1960s after all.

The class issues that OP rightly say drive our shitshow are far older than the 1960s or indeed the slavetrade or even the Empire. This all stems back to before the Union was even formed.

I'm not saying that class issues are new by any means. What I am saying is that you can't point to governmental polices over recent decades, and use that as an explanation for racism in the UK. That's the part of the OP's argument that I take issue with - the idea that racism is a relatively novel phenomenon caused by relatively recent economic policies. I don't think that narrative is correct. This idea here:

We have lots of very, *very* poor areas that have been ignored by the government for decades. People without hope or a future look for someone to blame and are an easy target for people like Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson.

Class and economic issues have existed for a long time, granted, but very recent economic policies did not cause anti-immigrant and racist policies to spring into existence. Nigel Farage did not invent racism.

No they didn't invent it, but they are taking advantage of the current conditions in this country - which was rather more my point.

As for the rest - I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. I'm not claiming that racism is novel. I'm saying I think classism is the bigger overarching problem. And additionally that the a rise in poverty - driven by recent government policy which is firmly routed in classism- has made the matter of racism worse.

My father stood for Parliament against Enoch Powell in the 1960s!

He lost, both times.

Isn't it typically the *very* poor areas where grooming gangs operate and the police do nothing for fear of being seen as racist? But hey, those towns have always been shitholes, and those dumb sluts weren't going to amount to anything anyway, right?

Yeah, I'd say you've got a serious classism problem in your country. Way bigger than your racism problem.

The existence of grooming does not justify racism, fuckhead

Didn't say it did, sweetie pie.

Please explain, then, why you brought it up completely out of the blue in an unrelated conversation.

Because I thought it was directly relevant to OP's comment regarding the very poor areas ignored by the government, and how that classism - i.e. blatant institutional disgust and disregard for the poor - drives racism in those areas?

If your point was simply to illustrate institutional disgust and disregard for the poor, what does that have to do with proving that racism isn't a big problem? Because that was a big part of your whole post. Grooming exists, and therefore, racism isn't a big deal.

If the point is on Earth, you're on the moon.

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