[ SECRET POST #4569 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4569 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/xDr7XXH.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

True regarding elf/dwarf friendship, Narvi and Celebrimbor were friends way before that.

[philstar22]

They were probably the closest, but not the only. Both Thingol and Maedhros had friendships with dwarves. There is also a strong possiblity that Eol had a dwarven friend as well.

Off topic but...

[(Anonymous)]

Anyone have recs for cute fan art for these two? I forgot how much I liked them until reading this secret.

Re: Off topic but...

[(Anonymous)]

Seconded!

[type_wild]

TO BE FAIR, LotR makes a fairly ham-fisted point about hos Very Special the friendship between Legolas and Gimli is, and not all of us are interested enough to read the extended mythology just because we like the hobbits.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, yes. Of course not. But being smug about being better than movie fans while actually missing a chunk of canon is the not cool part. You want to think Legolas and Gimli are the only ones, fine. It is when LOTR fans start mocking Tauriel/Kili fans by claiming Legolas and Gimli were the first that I start laughing. Let people enjoy what they want and don't pretend you know everything when you haven't read all of canon.

[type_wild]

Oh yeah, that's absolutely allowed. Though I'll still argue that it comes across as supremely weird to construct this epic star-crossed love story between an elf and a dwarf happening some fifty years BEFORE the Epic Friendship Whose Like Has Not Been Seen (in the last four thousand years or w/e) in the already established canon. (granted, I don't think the movieverse made as big a deal out of it as the novels did)

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yes. Not a fan of the Hobbit movies myself. This secret was made in response to an extremely smug Facebook post about how wrong Tauriel and Kili were for ruining the first and only dwarf and elf friendship.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but while I don't think it ruined it - even though in terms of the movies, it felt forcefully redundant - it does change the motivation of Legolas. Because now he's learning someone else's lesson about being friends with dwarves, since he watched Tauriel do it.

[(Anonymous)]

My point is if you are going to be rude to movie fans, at least get canon right. I don't like the movies or Tauriel. But Legolas and Gimli are not in any way the first friendship. And these particular fans act like they are the gatekeepers of the Tolkien fandom when they haven't read past LOTR and Hobbit and it is ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh, the movies are their own thing, so I'm not sure why saying "in the extended universe of Middle Earth it happened even more!" is a great argument to feeling like its portrayal wasn't cheapened. It just feels kind of irrelevant? And Tolkien himself can certainly be accused of thematic redundancy, too.

[(Anonymous)]

That does make it weird to me, but I put the hobbit movies and LOTR in separate universes.

[(Anonymous)]

and according to the screenwriters, Kili/Tauriel turns Legolas into a dwarf racist even though he was far more racist to dwarves in his first minute in The Hobbit films than the entirety of the LOTR movies.

[nightscale]

For me at least not jiving with Tauriel/Kili, despite the potential for cute, is simply because it went from 0-200 in an absurdly short span of time.

And I can handle that to an extent, hell in most action-movies with a romantic subplot they realistically only take place over a couple of days or maybe a week, but a good dose of screen-time/development can solve that which I felt they didn't really get.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh I totally agree with that. I hated it. I just don't like the smug and the fandom gatekeeping, particularly from people who don't actually know canon all that well.

[nightscale]

Ahh I get you, I do recall seeing some of that floating about at the time but I didn't really pay attention to it because it seemed like a weird stance to take when simply not liking it is fine as a reason by itself(but I also stayed away from general crit of that ship because there was so much Tauriel-bashing and I just didn't care to see that).

Even though Gimli+Legolas aren't the first elf+dwarf relationship that doesn't make theirs any less special or great? It's not like you can only have one.