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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-07-31 06:58 pm

[ SECRET POST #4590 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4590 ⌋

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[Good Omens]


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[Jay and Silent Bob Reboot]


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[Masterchef Australia]


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[The Witcher]


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[Michael Sheen and his girlfriend, Swedish actress Anna Lundberg]


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[Project Mc2, Bryden and Camryn]


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(Anonymous) 2019-07-31 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I once had a crush on a celeb who was 17 years older than me so I can sympathize with liking an age gap. But a relationship where the man is old enough to be the woman's father is a manifestation of male privilege on a number of levels.

(Anonymous) 2019-07-31 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that it's a manifestation of male privilege that the pattern is so slanted in one direction, and it can be a manifestation of male privilege when there's a pattern in one person's behavior (IE, Leo). But I strongly disagree that it's intrinsically a manifestation of male privilege, or intrinsically wrong.

I have a hard time finding a problem with Sarah Paulson and Holland Taylor's relationship (in fact, if I'm honest, I find it extremely charming).

(Anonymous) 2019-07-31 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
There can't be male privilege if there are no men involved. Sarah and Holland are both women.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with looking at a young hot babe and thinking she's attractive.

What's intrinsically wrong is thinking that it's appropriate or desirable to be in a relationship with someone who is not your peer. It's related to the concept of the trophy wife. It can stem from a desire to have control over someone younger. It can stem from immaturity - men are allowed to not grow up and leave all the emotional labor to the woman. He wants a young wife to give him children (hello, Handmaid's Tale).

(Anonymous) 2019-07-31 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
There can't be male privilege if there are no men involved. Sarah and Holland are both women.

Sure, but it would seem like it would be open to many of the same critiques that you're making. If you think that being in a relationship with someone who's not your peer is inappropriate, and you think that a person being sufficiently older than their partner means that they're not peers, then it seems like the same logic applies. Unless there's some other distinguishing line that you want to draw.

It can stem from a desire to have control over someone younger. It can stem from immaturity - men are allowed to not grow up and leave all the emotional labor to the woman. He wants a young wife to give him children (hello, Handmaid's Tale).

I agree that it can be all of those things, and even that all of those things are common. And I agree that those things are bad. What I don't agree with is the idea that those things are the case in every relationship where a man is old enough to be a woman's father. That those things are intrinsic features of age gap relationships.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-01 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
At this point in time, F/F or F/M where the woman is older is not common enough to say that it's any kind of manifestation of privilege. But it can still be inappropriate and unhealthy, absolutely. I had a friend who was 20 years older than me and she treated me like a child. And this is why she is not my friend anymore.

I also see male privilege in M/M age gaps. Stephen Fry and that kid he's married to? Dustin Lance Black and Tom Daley? Yeah, trophy husbands.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-01 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
This is mostly bullshit.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-01 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
So it's okay when a woman commits statutory rape but not men, because patriarchy?

(Anonymous) 2019-08-01 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
Put away that straw man.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-02 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
They were literally saying it's fine when women do it but bad when men do it.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-01 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Sarah and Holland have a big age gap but the younger partner is over 40, at which stage I start to feel that it's not very important. Same with Patrick Stewart and Sunny Ozell. If you're old enough to have adult kids, you're old enough to understand power differentials.

(Anonymous) 2019-07-31 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
On the other hand, guys are hopelessly stupid until at least 35, so what's a young lady to do.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2019-07-31 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Lesbianism. >_>

(Anonymous) 2019-07-31 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
tragically not an option for a vast swathe of ladies out there

(Anonymous) 2019-08-01 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Use them and dump them.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-01 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
Date them and possibly get their hearts broken like grown-ups, just like women who date older men.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-01 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Agree on the male privilege. Yes, she is an 'adult' but it's still rather icky imo