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161. You know, I don't think you are giving this topic the complexity is deserves.

NO, I don't think women need to be "tough" and "strong" to be a good character. An example of a great female character who ISN'T that is Tohru from Fruits Basket. But she's a complex character with MOTIVATIONS, dynamic emotions, and a story.

However, I have to say. A great deal of female characters in anime are not given the benefit of that sort of development. They're two-dimensional and exist purely to complement the male characters, or to titillate male viewers.

A pretty good way to determine whether a story really contains good, well-written female characters is the Bechdel Test. It should usually have ...

1. At least two main-ish female characters.
2. These characters should talk TO EACH OTHER,
3. And they should talk about SOMETHING OTHER THAN MEN.

That's it. And unfortunately, that can often be difficult to find in a lot of manga. Just look at Death Note ... very few of the main female characters ever even meet each other.

Edited 2008-10-07 23:10 (UTC)

What about Ghost in the Shell? The only major female character is Motoko Kusanagi, who is also the protagonist, and yet she is commonly regarded as the ultimate example of a well-written, strong female in anime and manga.

She is strong and well written, but the show does not pass the Bechdel test.

And thus the Bechdel test has been proved as worthless and unnecessary. See you in fall semester, Mike.

The Bechdel test is useful primarily for evaluating shows with a large cast of central characters, not shows with two central characters (like SPN) or one (like GITS). No show with only one female character will ever pass it; but there may be other things about those shows that keep you watching. For instance, I watch SPN because I like the brothers and I'm perfectly fine that this show is just about the brothers and not a large ensemble cast with female secondary leads.

What the Bechdel test tells you is whether the female characters in an ensemble show are there to be characters or there to be accessories/plot coupons.

One of the things that's frustrating is how many shows that ought to be able to pass it easily fail so hard. How often do any of the many female characters in Heroes get together to talk about something that has nothing to do with the males? Why was the first thing Amita Ramanujan wanted to talk about with Don Eppes' latest girlfriend "how much alike Don and Charlie are"? When are Cameron and Thirteen and Cuddy going to talk about something that's not "how much of a jerk House is"?

Edited 2008-10-08 00:23 (UTC)

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