[ SECRET POST #4597 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4597 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

[(Anonymous)]

I have an ace friend in the Good Omens fandom who sides with the fandom group that thinks Neil Gaiman is a nasty queerbaiter for not saying Crowley and Aziraphale are gay men. I think she's just doing it to look like the "good" asexual who is not like those other meany mean aceys who want to steal gay representation, and I just want to smack her and tell her to stop pretending because it's no use, the exclusionists are always going to hate her, and to have more pride in her asexuality.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

I'm also ace by the way

Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

[(Anonymous)]

I'd have to know your friend to have an opinion on whether you're right about her motivations, but I can see how this would be frustrating.

I'm ace and I ship them, sexually as well as romantically, but I also think that ace headcanons are every bit as valid as gay headcanons, and certainly no further from being canonical.

And honestly, even if the next most likely interpretation was that they were straight, it still wouldn't make Gaiman a queerbaiter. He (and Pratchett) had a story they wanted to tell, and it involved two characters whose love for each other was ambiguous in nature. They told the story they wanted to tell. It's not really that complicated.

Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

[silverr]

+100

Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

[(Anonymous)]

Accusing Gaiman of queerbaiting 30 years after he pushed for better representation from DC comics, and after the number of explicitly LGBTQ characters of the American Gods TV series is a bad read. (I will also point out that the leading genre show with a pansexual male lead also has Gaiman DNA.) Gaiman not putting a human-centric label on angel sexuality in this one case is not because he's squeemish about offending audience sensibilities with gay characters.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

I'd probably be more sympathetic to accusations of queerbaiting if Good Omens was a Warner or Disney property. But it's not. And you have all the other angels and demons who are presented as nonbinary (including Crowley).

Honestly, I'm tasting some strong notes of anti-bisexual prejudice in this debate. Out there in the real world, not all men-loving-men (mlm) identify as gay, not all nonbinary people identify as gay, some people legitimately don't like to be labeled in that way, some people are not ready to pick a label yet, and some people point out that there's a bit of ethnocentrism around "gay." I suspect Gaiman is a fair bit more literate about these issues than most, and Good Omens is more on the side of how relationships are complex and messy than queerbaiting.