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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-10-10 04:45 pm

[ SECRET POST #644 ]


⌈ Secret Post #644 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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not OP

(Anonymous) 2008-10-10 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Is a picture of Naruto cropped from a Deviant Art submission being used without credit somehow a worse injustice than a screenshot of Naruto from the anime, or a panel from Kishimoto's manga?

I don't necessarily agree with the secret--something about the tone of it bugs me--but this has always struck me as a rather disingenuous argument.

1. Official art is essentially credited by default. All it takes is a quick browse over to Wikipedia to see who the mangaka and/or animators are if you want to know, and people who are actually in fandom and therefore likely to pay attention to the icons in the first place probably already know (at least in the case of the mangaka). It is often impossible to find the credit for a fanart icon, even if you try.

2. By putting their work out for public sale and, in most cases, allowing tons of merchandise of it, the creators have already tacitly given permission for fans to use those images so long as they're not profiting by them. Of course you can argue forever about this with the more legal-minded, but in fandom, at least, with all its fanart and fanfiction, this is the accepted view. The products of other fans are on somewhat more shaky ground--yes, they're usually out in public, but they're not always or even often sold. People will have different opinions on whether fans should credit each other for their work. But in my opinion, while the creators are usually somewhat removed from fandom and are unlikely to ever care what we do with their images so long as we don't shove it in their faces...fans are all in it together, and therefore it behooves us to respect each other's wishes in regards to personal works.

Re: not OP

[identity profile] manda-babylon.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
But the OP doesn't say they are 'reporting' people for using icons of fan art the fan artists have asked not be reproduced or edited, they say they're 'reporting' them for using something and not crediting it. Using that MO, they are bound to contact several artists who don't mind or have given permission for derivative works, simply because the icon maker doesn't credit. There is also the fact that many people have images that they have found that in no way indicate the original artist - they may not be crediting them because they simply don't know who they are.