[ SECRET POST #4614 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4614 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

OP: "Other factors affect this, such as cast, genre, distribution..."

Also OP: "Why aren't you watching this show, people who have never heard of it or don't like its genre? It must be because you don't really care about diversity! If you did, you'd all like the show I like! It's special and different from other shows and the same factors don't apply!"

Uhhhhhhhhh

This train of thought is a mess

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, not to be all "that's why it's a secret", but that's probably why it's a secret

[(Anonymous)]

How so? Both things can be true at the same time.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really.

OP explicitly says that they don't agree with the idea that "if everyone who said they liked diversity was being honest, project X would be more popular" and then they also say "if everyone who cared about diversity was being honest, Tales of the City would be more popular"

It's a pretty direct contradiction... like... I really don't see how you can interpret your way around it. they even say themselves that it makes them a hypocrite! and it's honestly OK, it's an emotional thing, it's natural to want to have more fans for the thing you like.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

OP also implies they believe a multi factor idea of causes or constitutes popularity, then goes on to display that they really don't. It's not exactly hypocrisy, I don't know what you'd call it, but it's not correct either

[(Anonymous)]

Both things as in you believe OPs show is different and special and the factors don't apply to this one show out of a thousand?

I think you misunderstood the second part of the comment you're replying to

[(Anonymous)]

OP of the original comment:

I mean, yes, that's why I said that it makes me a hypocrite. But to be clear, I'm not talking about people liking the show or thinking it's special or different than other shows. I just find it weird that, given how shows/movies are often criticized for not being more diverse, a show that is very diverse has gone by seemingly completely unnoticed by everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, and that's what everyone says about every other diverse show too.

When in reality most people have never heard of most of them, including this one.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Also, how people will also often talk about or promote supporting diverse projects but then this particular project, which isn't just about diversity on-screen but also has a very diverse cast and writing team, is completely unnoticed. I don't know if I'm articulating myself well, but it feels very weird to me.

(An anon in the original thread pointed out that the history surrounding the canon might actually be hurting it now, as new viewers feel alienated, which I can see. I still find the lack of attention baffling, though.)

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for making my comment into a secret! And also kudos for making my word vomit into a readable secret, secret-maker. <3

[(Anonymous)]

I've never even heard of the show, but I also only just watched the Hobbit films this year so I am little bit comfy under my media rock.

[(Anonymous)]

Before this secret, I've never heard of this show.

[(Anonymous)]

I can honestly say I had never heard of this show or the book series on which it's based.

[tabaqui]

I watched the first episode and it just...didn't grab me. Even with Olympia Dukakis and a half-dozen other interesting people. It was...lackluster.

Maybe it gets better, I dunno, but I wasn't enthralled (and had no idea it was a book).

[(Anonymous)]

OP

That's totally fair. I'm not objecting to people not liking the show (if one of the pairings didn't hit many of my buttons I might not have watched past the first episode either, tbh), I just find the total lack of attention the show has gotten from the woke crowd (for lack of a better term) rather strange.

Like the wank surrounding ScarJo and a cis-person playing a trans character - so many people got angry at Hollywood and entertainment at large at casting cis straight people for queer roles, but then a there's a show that made a point of hiring queer writers and queer actors for queer characters and no one cares. It feels very weird to me.

[tabaqui]

Yeah, I get that.

[(Anonymous)]

Tales of the City is not popular because it's a Netflix show that got next to no promotion. It's also a sequel to previous tv series' (there have been three) and is based on a book so it's not "original content" which a lot of folks prefer to start with.

Its also very nice and safe and sometimes bland in terms of the story its telling.

I loved it, myself. But if I had to choose between it and a number of other diverse shows with better stories, I'd pick the other shows to be fannish about.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Oh, I'm not saying it's must-see great or anything. Tbh, Ben/Michael hits many of my buttons as a pairing and I got pretty invested in the Margot/Jake relationship/friendship, so I mostly only watched for them. I like the show overall and appreciate how positive it is, but I totally get how someone might not like it. It's the complete lack of attention it receives from the woke crowd that baffles me.

It's nice to see someone else who liked it! <3

[(Anonymous)]

If I were to guess, TOTC didn't get popular because fandom tends to shift towards sci-fi fantasy stuff.

Sitcoms or slice of life stuff often doesn't get as big as say, Supernatural or Voltron: Legendary Defender did.

[(Anonymous)]

So, I actually remember it being a big deal when it was originally made into a miniseries in 1993 and aired 1994 (in the US). And I remember there being some notice when they adapted the next book in 1998. But by the time the third one came along, well, there wasn't much fanfare. I don't think the books are as known as they were and the perspective has definitely changed. I'm not much surprised this was met with a fair amount of indifference.

[(Anonymous)]

I love love love that show! And I was wondering the same thing for the same reasons. The writing is great, the cast is great, the characters are beautifully layered - why aren't people more hyped about it?

[(Anonymous)]

It's great to see another fan! I know, right? It's so frustrating to see people complaining about the lack of diversity in other media and then having this show, which ticks so many boxes, receive no attention whatsoever. After I finished it I expected to find so much hype on Tumblr about the show, but it's basically just crickets.

Also, and this is completely selfish, I want a sequel that fixes Ben/Michael and the Margot/Jake friendship. Or at least fic that explores these relationships post-canon. Neither is looking likely atm. D: