[ SECRET POST #4635 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4635 ⌋

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Comments

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

a gross perversion of a formulaic father/son or mentor/mentee dynamic.

It squicks you out, and that's ok. When I found out about Buffy/Giles it totally sqicked me out, because to me they had a parent/child dynamic, and I didnt want to imagine it as anything else. But the fact is, there's nothing inherently gross or perverse about either of these ships;they are not related to each other genetically or through upbringing. Two people of legal age (buffy as of s3 and peter as of now) can love each other and fuck each other however they want to, as long as it's safe, sane, and consensual.

The potential for relationships similar to these to become abusive or simply unhealthy in real life is high. But in fiction the creator gets to shape the relationship, and if the creator writes it as healthy and loving then that's what it is.

Barely legal" is still illegal.

I mean, factually that is incorrect, so.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

There's also an argument to be made for whether it matters at all if a ship is "gross and perverse," given that it's just fiction. But I'm not really interested in having that argument atm, so.

[(Anonymous)]

But the fact is, there's nothing inherently gross or perverse about either of these ships;they are not related to each other genetically or through upbringing.

What about the power imbalance or the older person taking advantage of the younger person due to inexperience? Those things do not remove the inherent creepiness.

But in fiction the creator gets to shape the relationship, and if the creator writes it as healthy and loving then that's what it is.

Well, it depends on how they write the relationship. Otherwise, people can, and will be critical of certain tropes. They have the right to express their criticisms.

I understand what you're trying to do, bring nuance into this discussion, but it keeps going back and forth.

[(Anonymous)]

What about the power imbalance or the older person taking advantage of the younger person due to inexperience?

Sure, those things can be issues. But they can also be issues with any relationship.

Those things do not remove the inherent creepiness.

To you, there's an inherent creepiness. But that's not universal. Personally I find relationships with extreme age gaps questionable, but not necessarily creep, as long as the individuals involved are of legal age and what I witness of the relationship does not strike me as abusive or unhealthy. Often, yes, I find them creepy, but not always.

They have the right to express their criticisms.

People have the right to express their criticism. I have the right to roll my eyes and criticize them right back, when their criticism is presumptive, off base, and disconnected from reality.

[(Anonymous)]

Agree to disagree on some parts, but would you roll your eyes at someone who had traumatic experiences, in which certain tropes may be triggering?

[(Anonymous)]

If I had failed to tag my stuff appropriately, I'd sincerely apologize. But if they were just criticizing me for my ship, or coming into my space to criticize my ship, then yeah, I'd roll my eyes. And they'd be lucky if they didn't get an "oh piss off" from me while I was at it.