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[ SECRET POST #649 ]

⌈ Secret Post #649 ⌋

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[Angels in America]

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[Transformers; Optimus Prime]

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[Hugh Jackman (as Wolverine from X-Men)]

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[One Piece; Sanji/Usopp]

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[Batman; Scarecrow vs Cillian Murphy]

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[Jesus Christ Superstar; Homestar Runner]

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[Code Geass]

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[Supernatural]

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[Yamane Ayano?]

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[One Piece; Roronoa Zoro]

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[Metalocalypse, Charles Ofdensen]

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[FLCL]

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[World of Warcraft]

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[Gintama]

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[Disney's Tarzan]

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[Eyeshield 21]

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[Harry Potter & Death Note fanfiction]

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[Metalocalypse; Axis Powers Hetalia]

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[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!]

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[Queer as Folk]

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

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[Chronicles of Narnia]

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[Pirates XXX]

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[Professor Layton and the Curious Village]

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[Yami no Matsuei]

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[Avatar]

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[Ouran; Nekozawa]

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What I want to know is why it's hot non-con sex that everybody wants.

Why can't it be hot angry sex?

Or hot normal sex?

Or even just carefully-pre-planned but-no-less-hot fantasy-fulfillment sex?

And what's worse is that this is not the first, or second, or even third time I've seen this kind of secret. When did watching someone get degraded, hurt, traumatised, and possibly injured against their will become the normal thing to want? What do you hate about that character (or, in some twisted self-identification way, yourself) so damn much that you would wish it on them? Where is your empathy? Because, seriously. I understand personal rape fantasies. Most people have them. But even then there's an element of control and safety; you know deep down that it's someone you're familiar with, trusting them with your permission to stick to a given situation. Even when I read a fanfiction and it involves non-con, I consider it a terrifying, depressing element, and I feel horrible for the one experiencing it.

You don't go up to couples you know and wish rape upon them--or at least, I desperately hope you don't. I have to wonder why it's acceptable to do it to a fictional character.

God, I know this is going to get mistaken for someone being a troll, and I know others have probably had the same bitchfit I'm having. And, hey, it'll probably cause wank, too. But this just really bugs me and I had to soapbox for a moment because otherwise I'm not sure I could live with myself for being quiet. Ugh. Ugh, ugh, ugh.

It bugs me that they say "hot non-con sex" instead of "rape," I'll tell you that much...

I see where you're coming from. I think it's intersting that you make a distinction between personal rape fantasy and the sort of... I guess voyeuristic action of watching someone be raped. Seems like it would be a very useful distinction, but how valid is it?

Well, yes, the word choice unnerves me too. Calling a pile of dog crap a bed of roses does not magically a garden make.

And the line I'm drawing isn't technically at the voyeurism--hell, some people's personal fantasies of that type involve being watched by someone else. And because it's their personal fantasy, that's okay.

What I take issue with is the fact that people want it to see it happen to someone else entirely. I mean, this is the fandom equivalent of walking up to a random chick in your class and saying, "You see that football player over there? Yeah, he's hot. I hope he mentally scars you for the rest of your life. Mmmm. I'd like that."

I don't know. Just the idea that someone is enjoying looking at other people like they're pieces of meat to be abused? It creeps me out. Even targeted at fictional people. Especially fictional people. Because then I wonder how they see humans in real life. You know?

Bleh.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. I was having trouble finding a word.

I don't know. Just the idea that someone is enjoying looking at other people like they're pieces of meat to be abused? It creeps me out. Even targeted at fictional people.

This! I feel this way too but I've never been able to articulate it or seperate it out from personal fantasy.

No problem, on the word thing. I'm thankful to be having an actual discussion instead of having flames thrown my way for expressing an opinion.

(On a side note, I have getting the most hilarious captcha's for this. 'Bride disqualified'.)

I like watching fictional people be abused and I have no such thoughts about humans in real life. You know?

If you understand people having rape fantasies how the hell do you not understand that rape/non-con (I don't really care what distinction you use) in fanfic IS A FANTASY?? There is a distinction here. I have read fanfic where the rape was obviously meant to reflect reality and have felt empathy for the characters. And I've also read fanfic where the rape was meant to reflect fantasy and that's just as obvious! So what exactly is your issue here? Either rape fantasy is okay and rape fanfic that reflects fantasy is also okay, or neither are okay. You can't have it both ways.

Sure you can. Why can't you? S/he explains pretty well what the difference is: It's the seperation between you and another person.

Uh, no, because the "other person" is NOT REAL.

^ Indeed.

To help me clarify my points on what unnerves me and what does not, in regards to people and their fantasies, let me give you guys some examples.

I Understand.

* IRL Person A has a fantasy. IRL Person A goes to IRL Person B, whom they believe to be someone they can trust in helping them carry it out safely. Fantasy is enacted between IRL People A and B. Nobody else is harmed.

Kinda Wigs Me Out, But Can Be Done Well.
* Fictional Character A has a fantasy. Fictional Character A approaches Fictional Character B, whom they believe to be someone they can trust in helping them carry it out safely. Fantasy is enacted between IRL People A and B. Nobody else is harmed.
* Fictional Character A is attacked by Fictional Character B against his/her will. It is frightening and scary, and has realistic repercussions of whatever kind, and is not meant to titillate.

OMFG, No.
* IRL Person A is attacked by IRL Person B against his/her will.
* Fictional Character A is attacked by Fictional Character B against his/her will, with the intent to titillate the reader(s), with unrealistic reactions, consequences, etc.

The difference, as we can see, is that I am more bothered by rape when it is viewed as something to be enjoyed as conducted against another person, and treated as--well, as many things, most of it ridiculous or an excuse to have things like "healing sex" from the fan's more preferred half of the couple.

These, of course, are my personal categories. You have the right to change yours up as you will, in regards to what you are or are not comfortable with; I myself can do nothing to change your opinions if you are intent upon having them. By the same token, however, I am free to look at you and be mildly disturbed by how you categorize things.

And yet fictional characters are not real people, and no one is enjoying the rape of people.

Feel free to be disturbed but it sounds like you're just hung up on fantasy vs reality as every anti-rape-fantasy person is.

I understand personal rape fantasies. Most people have them. But even then there's an element of control and safety; you know deep down that it's someone you're familiar with, trusting them with your permission to stick to a given situation. Even when I read a fanfiction and it involves non-con, I consider it a terrifying, depressing element, and I feel horrible for the one experiencing it.

What if it's supposed to be a negative element, though? I love doing horrible things to characters I love -- not ones I hate, strangely enough! -- as long as it's happy in the end or has a chance of being so (lol I cannot do deathfic >_>). Torture (physical or psychological), rape, near-death, etc. The reactions and aftereffects that everyone has to go through as the result of such events are fascinating and appealing to me as a writer/reader.

Also, you're equating wanting to see fictional characters get raped/molested with wanting to see real people get raped/molested, which Does Not Work. And which is actually pretty demeaning to people who do get raped or molested in real life. Some people just like the utterly out of control element of rape fantasies in fiction. Just because you're fantasizing about a person who is not real, in a not-real situation, instead of yourself in a not-real situation, doesn't make it any worse.

Some people just like the utterly out of control element of rape fantasies in fiction.

And some people write rape fiction because 'those uppity bitches deserve to be taken down a peg'.

Or is that part of the "out of control element" as well? I'm not really versed in the subtleties of rape fiction.

Oh, no. That's... actually kind of majorly unsettling. Not even just because they'd wish rape because of hate, but because they're unbalanced enough to actually hate someone who's not real that much. In that case, I'd actually say that the fact that they're wishing rape on a character is in the same area of fucked up as wishing rape on a person, if only because to get to that level of hate for a character it seems they'd have to be thinking of the character on a more real, personal level anyway. That sort of thing is definitely fucked up, but I tend to think the whole "LET'S CAUSE THIS PERSON PAIN BECAUSE I HATE THEM" attitude is fucked up anyway. Something done out of hate will never be a healthy thing.

By "out of control element" I mean that part of the appeal with rape fiction and rape fantasies is imagining someone, whether yourself or the character, in a situation where they have no control over the proceedings of the situation. This is a good deal of the attraction for rape fantasies and just BDSM (and in some cases, some people in BDSM choose safewords that don't disrupt the scene, or prefer not to have safewords at all, for that reason). There's something attractive to many people about being out of control, and that's part of the appeal of rape/non-con/whatever written as being "sexy," just as any of the other fantasies. There's no one involved that it can possibly hurt, there's no personal danger, and so it's attractive. And the very things that make it attractive keep rape from being something these people would ever want in real life, for themselves or anyone else.

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