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[ SECRET POST #652 ]
⌈ Secret Post #652 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Bleach; Urahara/Yoruichi]
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[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!; Hibari Kyoya]
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[Tokyo Babylon]
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[Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann; Viral]
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[Adventures of Sonic]
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[Jem and the Holograms]
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[Ouran HS Host Club]
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[Guild Wars]
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[Doctor Who]
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[Taiga Aisaka from ToraDora]
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[Ouran HS Host Club]
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[Mr. Driller]
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[Vic Migngongsognsognfonsogwhatevera]
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[Metal Gear Solid; Phoenix Wright]
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[QI, Alen Davies]
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[Captain Planet/Poison Ivy]
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[Kuroshitsuji]
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[Jack Sparrow/The Doctor]
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[Whose Line is it Anyway?; Ryan Stiles]
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[Vlogbrothers/Tetris]
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[Avatar]
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[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!; Superbi Squalo]
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[Harry Potter; Snape/Harry]
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[Stargate Atlantis]
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[Metal Gear Solid 5: Return of the Brotheeerrrrrrr]
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[South Park; Cartman]
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[Liar Game]
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[South Park/Indiana Jones?]
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[The Office]
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[Bleach, Naruto, Death Note]
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[Fullmetal Alchemist]
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[Final Fantasy XIII]
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Re: 106
His non-conformity and independence are good things, but his emotional problems adds a certain depth, a mystery, a history to make him develop from, and therefore make him more interesting.
I would argue that continuing to associate with people he's known since middle school indicates an ability to connect to others on some level.
Yes, I believe he does, too. It's just that he refuses to believe it himself. He's better ten years later (though I suspect it's a world that won't come to pass when the arc is finished), and that has made him even stronger; he's become more composed, and developed a tenuous bond with Tsuna (and maybe others).
Hibari finds joy in establishing his dominance and overcoming increasingly powerful opponents.
Yes, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's his violence towards the weak, his disgust for feelings of any kind, and the overall extremities to which he will go in that violence and disgust that's worrisome. He's unbalanced and disconnected from the world.
Now whether or not he's capable of love, that's a whole other debate.
No, it's actually the whole foundation of my opinion that he's damaged. His inability to understand what love is, is the root of all his other problems, I think.
When you take away all the ridiculousness of the series
This is interesting, because while I think the series has its ridiculous moments, I don't think everything can be explained away with it being comic relief. Point of fact: Tsuna. I think his low self-esteem is a direct result of terrible parenting, even though every family situation is shown in a humorous light. The cruelty Reborn treats him with in the beginning is, while slightly disturbing, necessary. If Tsuna hadn't been forced, he would simply have retreated into his complete conviction of his own uselessness. KHR has some very interesting themes, if you know how to look.
Re: 106
(Anonymous) 2008-10-19 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)What I want to suggest is that, rather than judging a character's spiritual health by the state of their relationships, we could look at whether or not the presence or absence of said attachments impedes the character's ability to live their life and achieve their goals in any way. For Hibari, I don't believe this to be the case. As close as he is to a plank of wood emotion-wise, the kid can get along just fine doing whatever he chooses to do. What makes him interesting is seeing how this unique personality can add to the Family, while not losing its individuality. In return, the Family will influence him in subtler ways. He doesn't necessarily have to be emotionally damaged for this to work.
When we run into someone who practices detachment philosophy, there's the urge to try and "figure them out", find out what their problem is and what terrible things led them to be this way. But is this kind of psychoanalysis appropriate if the person in question made the conscious choice to be this way, simply because they believe it is the right choice? Wouldn't that just be taking our own standards and imposing them on another person?
Hibari, as someone who possesses a strong, intensely ego-centric moral code, might be one of these people -- though ultimately, I don't think we really know what it is that he believes. It's hard to say that he himself doesn't believe in his ability to form attachments, since Hibari has shown that he can easily say one thing to people's faces while doing something else entirely. I could infer that he's probably aware of his various "bonds" (tenuous as they are), but isn't particularly verbal about it -- who would expect otherwise? Here, I am mostly talking about the older version, as I believe that the teenage Hibari's "personality deficiency" has to do with his immense immaturity. As a youth, he bullies his peers (but still shows a preference for strong opponents), and as an adult, he's completely intolerant of weakness. That seems like reasonable development, given his personality. I don't think it's terribly unusual for a man's words to belie his actions when it comes to "showing that he cares". Actions over words seems pretty fitting for this character.
Regarding Hibari's capacity for love, the real issue is that we haven't been shown many situations to which this is applicable. By love, are we talking then about some basic ability to form meaningful emotional attachment to people and things? I'm not really sure what it is about this image song that's supposed to prove he doesn't understand love -- but for the sake of argument, let's say he doesn't. Does that mean he's incapable of it? Worst case scenario, his capacity for love is tiny and he can only tolerate people rather than allow himself to acknowledge them; it's likelier that it's another example of his tendency to say things that contradict his actions to avoid appearing weak.
To be capable of emotional connection, one has to allow oneself to need others. While it's difficult to imagine Hibari needing others very often, it's at least a positive sign that in one future, one possibility of him can cooperate with others and display respect for another person (namely Tsuna), while still maintaining his fierce independence.
In the end, though, everything remains pure conjecture. The character could go either way -- victim of traumatic soul-destroying experiences or radical proponent of bizarre world view, both are still on the table. I also look forward to a Hibari-centric arc to shed light on this matter. Personally, I don't think Hibari's on a bad track. What I want to see for his character is how he will be developed, not how he should be justified.
Re: 106
When it comes to a fictional character whose state of mind we're not privy to, judging his behaviour in relation to the other characters is pretty much all we have to go on, though, isn't it? Also, if he's emotionally damaged, who is to say that his goals aren't skewed?
When we run into someone who practices detachment philosophy
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. That Hibari is cutting himself from all human contact isn't healthy because humans need emotional bonds to function. That he might choose to spend most of his time on his own is not a problem, but how he handles relationships when he does interact with other people is.
is this kind of psychoanalysis appropriate if the person in question made the conscious choice to be this way, simply because they believe it is the right choice?
Yes. Just because a character is convinced he's right, it doesn't mean that it's true. This is a basic meta tool. Is the character a reliable narrator? How does his mental state influence his choices? What is his inner and outer conflicts? All these things determines his growth throughout the series. Generally the author leaves clues that can be interpreted.
could infer that he's probably aware of his various "bonds"
Really? I'm pretty convinced that he isn't. His rationalizations seems to be both for himself and his surroundings. If I would guess, I'd say that a story arc for him would involve the realization of the value of emotion.
I'm not really sure what it is about this image song that's supposed to prove he doesn't understand love
The name of the song is "Lonely fate" (Hitoribochi no sadame), and part of the lyrics are:
"Something like love, I don't know what it is
I don't know how to love
An eternal lonely fate"
I'd say he sounds a bit regretful.
Does that mean he's incapable of it?
No, and that's pretty much my point; he needs to learn how to do it. And I don't mean in the style of American sentimental melodrama; that's not the only way. As things are, he's incapable, because he thinks it would make him weak, and that only weaklings let their emotions mean something.
I don't think Hibari's on a bad track.
Well, definitely not. It's already apparent that his connection to Tsuna has influenced him, so I'm only expecting more development.
Interestingly, there's a part of the character song that goes:
"You held out a trembling hand
You're satisfied with this, aren't you?
Now, get out of my sight
If you don't, you'll get hurt"
I think it's about Tsuna, and the fact that he warns him and says "you'll get hurt" (and it can mean both feelings and bodily injuries), not "I will hurt you" implies a chink in his armour.
What I want to see for his character is how he will be developed, not how he should be justified.
Yes, that's what I'm saying; a static character is not very interesting. Its' when he grows and changes that we get to know him.