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fandomsecrets2008-10-18 05:06 pm
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[ SECRET POST #652 ]
⌈ Secret Post #652 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Bleach; Urahara/Yoruichi]
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[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!; Hibari Kyoya]
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[Tokyo Babylon]
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[Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann; Viral]
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[Adventures of Sonic]
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[Jem and the Holograms]
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[Ouran HS Host Club]
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[Guild Wars]
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[Doctor Who]
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[Taiga Aisaka from ToraDora]
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[Ouran HS Host Club]
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[Mr. Driller]
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[Vic Migngongsognsognfonsogwhatevera]
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[Metal Gear Solid; Phoenix Wright]
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[QI, Alen Davies]
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[Captain Planet/Poison Ivy]
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[Kuroshitsuji]
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[Jack Sparrow/The Doctor]
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[Whose Line is it Anyway?; Ryan Stiles]
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[Vlogbrothers/Tetris]
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[Avatar]
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[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!; Superbi Squalo]
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[Harry Potter; Snape/Harry]
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[Stargate Atlantis]
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[Metal Gear Solid 5: Return of the Brotheeerrrrrrr]
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[South Park; Cartman]
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[Liar Game]
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[South Park/Indiana Jones?]
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[The Office]
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[Bleach, Naruto, Death Note]
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[Fullmetal Alchemist]
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[Final Fantasy XIII]
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Re: OP of 106
Just inhuman, then?
Joking aside, I have to wonder at this fervour to make Hibari less nuanced.
Hibari does things his own way, and is always himself, no compromise.
Yes, and as I said above, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that part of him. I love those things about him too! That doesn't mean that he hasn't got problems in other areas of his personality. Like, for example, his inability to care for other people, and violence being the answer to every single thing that upsets him.
A character with no flaws, with nowhere to develop, isn't very interesting.
Re: OP of 106
(Anonymous) 2008-10-22 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)Mm, I'm sorry t say but I actually laughed at you for that. Because it's all of the people who say that he's emotionally damaged that makes him less nuanced. It's slapping a label on him without understanding who he really is. It's extremely demeaning to the character. Because Hibari isn't damaged - damaged implies that he used to be able to feel emotions 'normally' and then went through some sort of trauma. I'm sorry, I don't subscribe to that theory. He's different.
He feels emotions and understands them differently from other people. He's not damaged - he's immature. In canon, he's a fifteen year old kid who lived his entire life dislike human interaction. He disregards affection and love and all of that as something that weakens people, and honestly, the world gives him plenty of evidence for his beliefs. It's through dependence that people grow complacent - "If I fall, there'll be my friends to catch me." Hibari, fundamentally, is a boy, a man, with a will and a resolve so strong that he absolutely refuses to conform to society's idea of emotional health and wellbeing, which is what you're actually doing. It goes against his entire character.
He's perfectly healthy - he functions perfectly fine. He's not having emotional breakdowns - actually since this is Hibari Kyouya, he never actually would. And he doesn't care for people? I raise you Kusakabe Tetsuya, and Hibird, and Namimori the entire town. Hibari can care for people, for animals, for things. He just doesn't see most of them as being worth the while, because they are all so fucking weak by his definition.
Also, just because he likes fighting, likes violence, and is aggressive as heck doesn't mean that he's damaged. It just means that he's really violent and is an adrenaline junkie. Dude, he doesn't even needs to be upset to fight. He fights at every single thing, because fighting is what he loves to do. Which is why I laugh at that he's emotionally damaged, really, because he can feel such a spectrum of emotions when fighting - excitement, anticipation, the sheer rush of it, the fierce joy in fighting... you can see it in his face every single time he fights. This boy has no problems with emotions at all.
It's just that people aren't worth the time.
I'm not saying he doesn't have flaws. He's immature in Present Day. He's impulsive as all fuck and kinda stupid sometimes (see: Mukuro; see: Genkishi). He's really far, far from perfect but I've never said he is. You simply assumed, and assumptions make for an lousy argument. So does building up a straw man by twisting by words.
(I don't mince my words in debates. I used to, but I don't, now. It's just part of who I am. If you choose to be offended, it's your choice. I'm blunt.)
Re: OP of 106
No, it's saying that his actions have some reasons that them stems from certain mechanics in his psychology that aren't healthy.
"Damaged" is not a psychological diagnosis, it's just a general statement that means he's got some psychological and/or emotional problems.
He's not damaged - he's immature.
It's possible to be both at the same time, though.
It's through dependence that people grow complacent - "If I fall, there'll be my friends to catch me."
Dependence is not the same as love or affection, though. Nor is it the same as trust.
In canon, he's a fifteen year old kid who lived his entire life dislike human interaction.
Actually, we don't know what his life was like before Tsuna knew about him.
he absolutely refuses to conform to society's idea of emotional health and wellbeing, which is what you're actually doing.
"Society's idea"? Not being able to feel love and empathy for other people is actually a rather serious condition. It's two of the things that makes us human. The way Hibari dehumanizes other people, making them lesser beings in his mind and words is both fascinating and horrible at the same time, and I want to know why he's doing it.
he functions perfectly fine.
Which is why he hits even people that he knows for no other reason than that they're in the same room, he keeps a school he has left in fear (and abuses both his power and the students when he feels like it), beats down random people for fun, and make people give him money for "protection"?
I raise you Kusakabe Tetsuya
You'd say he actually cares about him? What makes you think that? To me it seems he's just using Kusakabe as a tool, and sees it as his right to do so.
Hibird is an animal, and I find it very interesting that Hibari tamed it; generally people with emotional problems have an easier time connecting with animals, as they demand nothing.
Hibari cares for the place Namimori, but he has no problems with beating the people there bloody if he thinks they disturb the peace.
Also, just because he likes fighting, likes violence, and is aggressive as heck doesn't mean that he's damaged.
No, it doesn't (as I've said before). The way he goes about it, however, is a clear sign. He goes too far, among other things (I'm talking about when he fights people much weaker than him, not the superpowered Mafia).
He fights at every single thing,
Even if they don't want to fight him, which is a problem.
he can feel such a spectrum of emotions when fighting - excitement, anticipation, the sheer rush of it,
He can't seem to feel any of it in any other situation, though. Why is that? Aren't you curious?
When I like a character this much, I want to really know him, to understand him. That's why I'm asking questions and analysing. That's why I'm hungrily scanning for clues in every new chapter. I don't have a clear image of exactly what Hibari "truly" is, I'm looking at what we've got in canon and thinking about it.
And his inability to love is such a big point of his character that his entire image song is about it. I mean, really.
You simply assumed
No, I looked at the canon and saw that Hibari's lack of empathy and caring is quite obvious. There are rather a lot of examples of it.
If you choose to be offended, it's your choice. I'm blunt.
I don't mind bluntness at all. In fact, I prefer it. You've avoided ad hominem attacks, which is really the only hindrance to any discussion that I can see. I'm pretty much never offended or upset in these sort of discussions (imagine me mostly in a calm, but occasionally excited, and always reasonable voice - that's generally what I'm like.). No need to worry!
Re: OP of 106
(Anonymous) 2008-10-23 02:01 am (UTC)(link)1) Please reread what I wrote. You misunderstood me entirely.
2) You're not actually rebutting any of your points with evidence. It's just. again, assumptions and claims. Stop doing that, it makes for a bad discussion.
3) Actually try rebutting my points instead of dismissing them.
Re: OP of 106
2: Which ones, specifically?
3: Er, what?