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⌈ Secret Post #4677 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

This AGAIN???

I'm sorry, OP. I hope the pendulum will swing back for you, and you get some hope.

[(Anonymous)]

Aside: I love the BSG art image you used here, OP.

[tabaqui]

Same. I gotta have some hope and some happy ending. All doom, all gloom, all the time is just not my cuppa.
It seems to be the 'new' trend, though. Blech.

[nightscale]

I had the opposite problem, I found it got so bleak towards the end, and I disliked most of the characters that I dropped it out of frustration. I'm glad you love it and enjoyed it to the end OP but I couldn't make it.

[sparklywalls]

I have a different issue in that I did stick it out until the end and I found the ending lacking. I know I'm not alone in this feeling as the finale was much criticised as well as praised. And I don't mind that it was a hopeful ending it was just...I don't know, I think I expected more from so much build up.

[(Anonymous)]

NA - Yeah, BSG is maybe my favorite show of all time, but even so, I found the last half of S4 weak and disappointing. Not atrocious by any means, but not up to the standard set by previous seasons.

IMO the show felt like it lost its balance along several axes at once. The characters finally started to slide a little too far into non-sympathetic territory. The science vs. fate/faith balancing act finally swung completely and rather simplistically towards 'fate/faith.' The always complex plot began to spiral into nonsensical chaos. And, perhaps most jarringly, a show that had always clung to the tiniest grains of hope, sometimes even fabricating hope where there was none, suddenly belly-flopped into a total deus ex machina of "Yay! We're saved!"

[sparklywalls]

You've put it in a much more detailed way why I was a little lukewarm on how it all ended!

I think nothing typifies the fate/faith thing kind of putting a downer on my enjoyment more than the conclusion of Starbuck's arc. I was a little annoyed that such an interesting take on that character got the whole "I fulfilled my purpose and now I'm going to ambiguously fade out" thing as an ending.

[(Anonymous)]

I majorly shipped Kara/Sam, so I didn't mind it. TBH I would have been more annoyed if she and Lee had ended up together at the end. I know this is my shipper brain talking, but it wouldn't have felt right for her character to get that kind of ending. TBH even a happy ending with Sam wouldn't have worked for me.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of Kara's ending either. Though I'm not sure what I would've liked more, because it's hard to picture a happy ending for her. But I think she should've gone out with a bang. That's just who she is - half crazy, unrestrained, a total bamf.

Plus, I think my feeling about Kara's ending were exacerbated by my feelings about Roslyn's ending. They are two of my all-time favorite female characters and they were truly incredibly written characters who were so strong in such real ways and so active and always fighting tooth and nail for humanity in their own distinct ways. But in the end they both kind of fade away, which...I don't love. I'm not arguing that their endings were sexist. Both endings were perfectly reasonable given everything that came before. But to have them both go out with a sigh or a whimper was just...yeah, not my favorite thing.

[dreamingofcats]

what really upset me was that apparently Roslin wasn't even meant to die in the end, but Mary McDonnell said that was how she felt the character should go. I love Mary, she's portrayed some of my fave characters, but after she AGAIN campaigned for her character in a different tv show to die, I'm just really exasperated and wish she would stay out of dictating her character end because it HURTS me. the show is ending, why do this. I remember watching the BSG finale in absolute tears, sobbing my heart out, and I can never watch it again because I was so upset, lol

[(Anonymous)]

The ending was a twist but I'm not sure I really liked it THAT much. S4.5 was a real downer overall, I think.

[lurea]

I'm generally GIMME ALL THE ANGST! But I'm like you...the angst seems a little pointless if there isn't a happy ending persevering despite all the odds situation. Otherwise, it's just--ugh, torture porn.

[(Anonymous)]

I seriously could not agree more.

I seem to be somewhat in the minority in that I greatly prefer serious, weighty, and somewhat dark shows. I like to feel a bit gutted, or at least winded, emotionally, by fiction. The kind of stuff that people tout as being purely entertainment doesn’t tend to actually entertain me. I get bored and then I get annoyed. I want something that sinks its teeth into me a little bit.

But the flip side, as you say, is that there has to be hope, in some amount and of some variety. I’m not interested in purely cynical, nihilistic storytelling. To me, it doesn’t feel challenging or impactful, it just feels lazy.

Also, with regard to BSG specifically, I…don’t necessarily think I’d call most of the characters anti-heroes? I think I’d call them heroic, flawed people who are pushed the the wall so hard and for so long that it’s a testament to their strength and underlying goodness that they retain an underlying core of person integrity and conscience. Which is maybe splitting hairs a little. And I mean, I like anti-heroes as well. But to me an anti-hero is someone who could reasonably be expected to be a better/kinder person than they are. Whereas I don’t really think most of the BSG crew can reasonably be expected to be better/kinder than they are. The fact that they keep trying, and retain some will to adhere to any sort of ethical code, is honestly really impressive on its own, given their circumstances.

[(Anonymous)]

I hated the way Roslin got shilled to infinity and Zarek was hit with the Villain Ball.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree about Zarek, that was disappointing. What do you mean about Roslyn getting shilled? I might agree with you, but I'm not sure what you're referring to.

It was not a perfect show, just a very good one.

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding this.

The BSG crew felt more human than, say, the characters in GoT or Walking Dead because they kept adamantly trying their best in an impossible situation instead of being given a "well the world sucks, go nuts" pass, and both the narrative and the other characters consistently held them accountable for whatever they'd done. And through it all, there was always hope.